AC System Refill using Recharge Kits

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My AC is not working and I want to refill it.
I am going to do a search to pull the information together. I will post what I find and I would like some input before I try it. Thanks
 
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AC REFILL

Reason for Post:
Fear of AC

This post is to provide enough information to fill an AC system that is not performing to its full ability. If the system has not simply leaked down (ie the system has been disassembled or been in a crash and broken some components or lines, or if the compressor has failed to the point it is making strange noises), then this procedure will not help your situation. That is unless you can access a vacuum pump and follow the procedures to get all the air and moisture out of the components.
This post concerns itself with the parts-store refill systems that have disposable cans of refrigerant.

HOW IT WORKS GENERALLY:
1.) There is a pressure sensor in the low pressure line (AC cycle switch) that engages the compressor when the pressure exceeds 40-47 PSI.
2.) The compressor runs until it has pumped the pressure down to 22-28 PSI on the low side.
3.) When the pressure goes back up (the fluid flows through the orifice valve that seperates the low and high sides), the cycle repeats.

95 MTX DATA
1.) Low side port (where you fill) is on the passenger side at the firewall hidden under a plastic shroud where your OBD1 and ABS service connectors are mounted.
2.) High side port is near the rad cap and this doesnot come into play for my issue. This may be where you pull a vacuum to clear the system if the system has been apart and ambient air has entered the components of the system.
3.) In front of the alternator (MTX) (near the radiator) there is a 2 wire electrical plug on top of the acccumulator / dryer. This is called the AC Cycle Switch or the low pressure switch. This switch has a screw driver adjustment slot that controls the pressure (21-22 for R-134a). Counter clockwise turn, lowers pressure.
On ATX cars, this is located near the passenger firewall.

FILL PROCEDURE:
1.) Remove the fastener on the passenger side holding the plastic shroud that runs along the firewall. With the smallest philips head screwdriver you have (even a jewelers), remove the center screw. You can now pull out the bulge type fastener without a problem and reuse it. This exposes the fill point, which is the low side port.
2.) Start the car and put it on max AC.
3.) Connect the filler system to this low side port by pulling back the outer plastic ring, inserting it into the port and releasing the plastic ring so that it moves down to the bottom and forms a seal. At this point the refill can doesnot need to be attached.
4.) Note the pressure on your gauge that is part of the fill mechanism. If it is less than 25, a top up is in order
5.) Determine if your compressor is operating by listening for engine idle lowering when Max AC is dialed in.
6.) The system will accept new refrigerant if there is more than 22 PSI on the low side.
7.) If there is less than 22 PSI, you must fool the compressor into starting up by removing the connector in front of the alternator (on the accumulator/ dryer) and shorting it with a chunk of wire. The compressor will start and accept the new refrigerant from the can.
8.) If there is doubt about the compressor being on, jumper the harness wire discussed in item 3 of 95 MTX DATA above and the compressor will be on.
9.) Now you can screw the can of refrigerant into the fill mechanism. This pierces the can top and makes the refrigerant available. Vigerously shake the can before you install it in the fill mechanism.
10.) When you pull the trigger on the fill mechanism, the gauge goes to zero, when you release the trigger, the new pressure value in the low side is indicated on the built in gauge.
11. Anything between 25 and 45 is considered filled for this step. I pulled the trigger a few times, but it didnot change the reading, so once is enough.
12.) You are done, except for uncoupling the fill nozzle (by pulling up the plastic ring and lifting the nozzle up); and replacing the plastic shroud and re-installing the small phillips screw after inserting the bulge plastic fastener.

EXTRA INFO:
1.) Here is a little rule of thumb regarding static pressure in the system when it is working well:
The Static Pressure in PSI will be 10-20% higher than the underhood temperature in degrees F.
 
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1. has your system been open? or just leaked down over time? because if it has been open you must pull a vacuum on the system to get out the moisture and allow the proper pressure values and quantity of refrigerant to be accomplished.

2. if the low side pressure is less than ~22psi, the compressor will not kick on, and you must jumper the low pressure switch.
 

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1.) My 95 MTX was filled and reworked last summer by the Ford Dealership. I drive it throught the winter, where AC is not noticeable, but when summer came this year, it looks like it leaked down enought to be unworkable.
2.) I am planning on "jumpering" the two wire plug that sits on top of the accumulator / dryer and is located in front of the alternator. Is that the low pressure switch or am I in the wrong area?
Thanks for the response.
 

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I had no issues adding r134 to my Explorer and my Mustang without jumpering the switch.

You should get a manifold gauge set, if you don't already have one, so you have a better idea of the pressures. The little gauge that comes with the cans at the parts store isn't the most accurate thing.
 

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the accumulator/dryer is at the radiator on mtx cars, at the firewall on atx cars.
 

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Great, I have that right then. My MTX connector is in front of the Alternator.
Is that is the home of the low pressure switch too (sometimes called the AC Cycle Switch)?
That is the plug that I am going to jumper (if necessary).
I am going to re-write #5 of my 95 MTX DATA soon and post it.
Feel free to point out any mistakes. I am going to print this thing and keep it in my glove box for next year.
 

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Here is my re-write of post #4 (edited).
Let me know if anything is wrong, or if information is missing.
Thanks to everyone contributing to this thread. I am comfortable enough to try this once I know the info is correct.
 

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I did the refrigerant fill on Wednesday without any problems.
My compressor still came on when I switched to MAX AC, but then I had trouble hearing if the compressor was running after I did the diagnosis with the charge kit (that has you reading the pressure of the system before the fill). Because of that, I did the jumper wire in the pressure switch harness to guarantee the compressor would come on when I needed it.
The kit has you turning the can onto the gauge / fill assembly to puncture the sealed can, then it instructs you to turn the can backwards (to pull out the puncture pin I guess), and that part did not go well as the can leaked when I tried that. Other than that it was OK as per instructions.

My AC is not ice cold as I have heard some systems described and it had a hard time keeping the car cool in the 32 Celsius degree weather with 100% humidity.
I would like some feedback on that issue.

I will amend my #4 post to give a step by step instruction that is accurate.
 

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If you print out just Page 3, you get the "how to" information without any other posts.
Since there was no refuting of the information, I am guessing that it is complete and correct.
I printed out page 3 and I am putting it in my glove box, so I don't have to spend an hour or two being puzzled when I get low performance from my system in the future.
Thanks to everyone who participated.
 

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