A good PCV catch can (?)

[GEN 3 SHO FAN]

Hi,

I'm wondering if someone with a PCV catch can inform me on the subject (M. Nimz maybe). I found this thing at the scrapyard bolted to a Winstar modified for disabled people with some pressurized air hoses. It contain two fiber filters at both ends and many plastic balls between them (can handle 250 psi). I would prefer something with the 2 openings at the top but if I install it on the horizontal side, can it be a good system ? Another question, would it be difficult to flush the oil with all these balls in it ? I like it because is clear, he indicate when to flush it.


Thanks for the infos,

 

[GEN 3 SHO FAN]

Ok, no one seems to know about it (someone stills there ?), anyway I made my searches elsewhere. The one up here is not good.

The goal of this research is because we have a motor with high mileage and with 32 valves. When I unbolted mine, I saw a lot of carbon build up in it (135k). After I hand cleaned all the intake, I don't want it become like it was. I started with the ideas of Paul Nimz here.

I found this oil separator (Husky) from Home Depot for about 15 $ us. Made from metal, it seems solid enough to handle the heat and also because the filter is made from sand or metal not sure, but not with paper like some others. It have a small handle at the bottom to empty it, suits perfect. Many tried this one with good results (around 1 onze for 400 miles on smallers motors). The same company offers a bigger one too.



For a better results, you can put steel wool inside (or change the paper filter in another one).

Edit : You will find these filters only in bigs Home depot stores.

 

[98SF19]

Thanks a bunch for that info. I can relate to your frustration with getting feedback here. I think the SHO veterans do check from time to time, but most of them are also involved with Gens 1 and/or 2 forums, which you will notice get more frequent posts than the red-headed step-child Gen 3. If you've checked ebay or even shosource, you'll also notice they're heavy on Gen 1/2 parts. I think we'd have more involvement if the cam sprocket issue hadn't claimed so many Gen 3's, and I'm sure it detracted many passionate would-be buyers of used Gen 3s in the past . . .

I have yet to open up my motor and clean out the carbon. I'd also like to remove the butterfly shaft as others have done. I think this combined with what I believe is constricted exhaust due to old broken-up cats substrate is really hampering performance, and the latter may be causing high temps in the motor, which puts the coils at risk . . . ugghhhhh. The catch can is a good idea.

Keep up the passion. There are more users on here who appreciate it than you think!

 

[GEN 3 SHO FAN]

As you still there, I will need your advice somewhere else.

 

[99sho-time]

I was told I didn't need a catch can. Furthermore I think installing a catch can might of caused my rings to sludge up and get stuck.

 

[stephen newberg]

I admit I am unsure of the actual value of a catch can also. Not sure how it might have caused your ring problems, though.

pax, smn

 

[99sho-time]

It was an ebay catch can and I feel I may have restricted the pcv system because the can itself had small openings. I didn't have it in for that long. I took it out when I noticed oil in the airbox. haven't seen oil in it since then. dunno why I forgot to mention this before.

my setup looked something like this.

http://i.imgur.com/nyV463o.jpg

 

[GEN 3 SHO FAN]

I have not pluged mine already. I choose 3/8 brass connections to be sure to not have flow restriction. The one I selected had good comments on differents forums/motors.

Can you put a photo of your catch can only 99sho-time ? It's one sold for cars or one sold for air pressurized hoses ? Also, I'm not sure what you want to tell precisely. Because your catch can restricted your PCV system, you had problems with the piston rings or just by installing a PVC can, it may cause problem because the oil eliminated is not lubricate the rings ?

Some have small cone filter on them to evacuate extra pressure but it's cause heavy oil odors on stops and red lights.

 

[99sho-time]

I wouldn't plug it I hear the pcv needs vacuum to help it operate. the reason I thought my can caused my ring problem is because I think it may have prevented operation of the system and caused sludge in the crankcase.

 

[GEN 3 SHO FAN]

Maybe oil obstructed the filter. (?) If you still have it, take a photo. Which brand is ?

 

[99sho-time]

There is no filter media in the can it just as a slight baffling. it's inlet and outlets have 3/8 fittings but they end up getting smaller as they go into the can.
It's the ebay catch can. My theory is that between the long tubing I had spliced in along with the fittings and angles may have restricted it because I blew through it with my mouth and felt it was restrictive. If you do install it make sure it can breathe easily without shrinking anywhere in the lines.

But I don't know if it caused my issue. I just feel it because as Im trying to recall when the noise started my memory lines up with can installation.

Unless when i first bought the car i didn;'t make note of the sound.? I dunno sigh

 

[GEN 3 SHO FAN]

Ok, I tryed mine and it's not restrictive. Which brand is ? Put it there, it will be usefull for others.

Overall, I think putting one will help with many problems : stuck throttle body, crappy intake and runners, stuck secondaries, etc.

Paul said some years ago that his can catch 50 ml for 100 miles in hot conditions and 100 ml for 100 miles in cold condition.

Edit : I just retreived the stock filter part and replaced it by a cooper wool just to be sure to don't have restriction. I did that because the filter seems it can be obstrued by oil with time and then causing restriction. I put the can near the batterie (the farest of the motor as possible but still very hot thought).

 

[99sho-time]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BILLET-ALUM...ash=item2edb617863:g:jvcAAOSwMmBV4JEJ&vxp=mtr

 

[99sho-time]

Slight update. Okay so I threw a tranny code TQ solenoid. and the guy said along with the tranny code there was P0325 So I changed the knock sensor and when I started it up I revved it didn't make that sound so I thought it was fixed. However I guess there might be something wrong with the wiring in this car.

I feel like and I know we have went over this I think the car might be pinging due to the computer unable to retard timing.

I'll explain my reasoning when I bought the car for w/e reason somebody hacked up the engine wiring harness there is terminals in front of the ECU etc. it was covered up... I need some sort of full diagnostic to see if all the components are operating correctly.

would it be possible to re wire a knock sensor? Or I actually have a spare engine wiring harness from a 97 would it be compatible and or hard to install?

 

[sperold]

Go to E-Bay and input "Electrical and Vacuum Troubleshooting Manual" "EVTM" for the year of your car. They are usually priced between $8.00 to $20.00, depending on how many greasy fingerprints are on them. Don't worry about the condition as you will be adding plenty of prints of your own.

You cannot troubleshoot anything without this publication. Once you have it, nothing will stand in your way in your problem solving

I would not use the harness from another year of car unless I had an EVTM for both years, and even then, I would probably avoid it.

 

[GEN 3 SHO FAN]

Many people had their car reprogrammed by Ford to solve some TSBs. (Not sure it's your prob.) Who know what they made to the program (Ford or anyone else...)

Just swithching 96 to 97 wiring harness you will have at least one difference. Then 97 to 99...

If you don't see any suspect wiring. Maybe the simpliest solution will be replacing the ECU, I don't know ECU codes for 1999 but you can find another one on Hollanderparts.com and it will cost you 25-50$. The only problem, you will have to reprogram the PATS and then, the keys and the transmitters. (Maybe I forgot something, correct me if the case.)

Maybe you can take a photo of your wiring to help us understand if a modification are visible (in another thread for others having same problem)... Maybe no switching is required.

P.S. For your piston ring, before openning all, I will try some Lucas oil motor product. (But I don't know all the story maybe it,s too late.) It's helped my original trans (136 k) a lot.

 

[99sho-time]

The 2nd picture I circled because on the harness in my car it's missing this thing.

 

[GEN 3 SHO FAN]

Oh, crap... Seens made by someone knowing what he doing however. If I was you, I will take a chance to PM Paul Nimz (SHOZ123), he created a system named VAK on this car (vehicule accessories killer) which affect many electrical devices almost when the car is WOT. Maybe is this... He also have a big electrical knowledge for this car.

I have the EVTM for 1996 SHO, I will PM you ECU plug but not sure is identical to yours.

Someone said me recently that this fuse is related to the fuel pump...

 

[99sho-time]

fuel pump fuse oh dear god. *Face palm*
Along with witht hat rear harness I noticed that all the rear coil pack plugs are not original i check all their wiring seems good enough for me and 2 of the fuel injector connectors aren't original like i said when i bought I had no idea the wiring was this butchered. It wouldnt bother me as much if had aassurnce that everything is correct once things are connected they are connected.

The pinging that I hear does act different in that the sound seems to go away quicker with new knock sensor. Maybe the computer finds some other way to adjust timing?

I have to say tho electrical work like this freaks me out a bit.

But I was thinking what if I just hooked it up to a fancy scanner to try and monitor each component to see what they are doing?

 

[GEN 3 SHO FAN]

Ok, at this point, start a new thread and identify it clearly (and put it your photos too). You will have advices maybe from other guys with the same problem. I will put photos of my book there, ok ? Other people with your prob or with a solution will not read about your prob here.