96 upgrade question

[Irish Pride]

I'm planning on doing the 96 upgrade today and just had a quick question. Will the upgrade work with canadian slicers? i may not remember correct but i thought i read some time ago that the canadians will rub but the italians wont. is that correct? can i do the upgrade with gen 1 slicers?

 

[frosho]

I want to say that the problem was actually caused by using the wrong bracket to knuckle bolts, but I'm not 100% sure. I remember SHO Continental posting pictures of a mangled slicer... might want to shoot him a PM.

 

[93rev2sev]

At the very least, you can upgrade to the 94/95 knuckles/brackets/rotors...which IS a decent upgrade from the 93 and earlier setup.

 

[elarm1]

What? I thought the whole purpose of the 96 upgrade was the ability to have better brakes and keep the stock slicers!!! You guys need to search more

 

[zblackbeast]

Ive got 96 brakes on my 94 and a set of canadian slicers.. give me a few hours and ill see how they fit!

 

[SHOMEX]

As far as I remembered 96 brake upgrade fit both canadian and italian slicers.
Just make sure to use the correct FN74 bracket found in 96-99 shos and 2001 & up taurus.
As others have said there is a braket found in some Lincolns that will rub the slicers.

 

[Phoenix]

Both slicers are the same so to speak , it should fit.

 

[Irish Pride]

Alright guys, Thanks.

 

[zblackbeast]

Yeah, they fit just fine!

 

[32MTX]

I don't possibly see how brackets with the same ID marks cast into them would be different.....


make sure they have FN74 stamped on them

this mod has been done countless times without issues when you have the proper parts.

 

[Shoaz]

There's about zero difference between Canadian and Italian slicers, other than the directionality and one says "Italy" on the back.

As mentioned, this mod has been done so many times over the last couple of decades that a problem is most certainly due to an error of some kind.

 

[Irish Pride]

I ran into several snags today. I found out that Autozone sold me loaded calipers for a 95 SHO and not a 96. The ones i got have DN5 stamped on the brackets and the pads are smaller too. I looked on their website and they have the same part number listed for all 94 - 99 SHOs. I guess i'll go and get calipers and pads for a 95 Continental tomorrow since i already have a set of FN74 brackets.

Does anyone know where i can get the right size FN74 bracket bolts? The ones that came with my brackets are too long. I was doing some reading in other threads and they said that the Continentals and 01+ Taurus' have the long bolts. Where can i find the shorter ones that work with the upgrade? Do you think i could go to Home Depot and get some bolts with the same thread size but shorter?

 

[frosho]

That's the correct caliper. You can use a 94/95 caliper for the upgrade, you just need the FN74 brackets, larger rotors, and appropriately sized pads.

Post a WTB for the bolts. You need the ones that were stock on 94/95s (I'm not sure whether or not earlier years will fit). Or you could try cutting down the long ones. I'm not sure I'd trust any old bolt from a hardware store.

 

[Irish Pride]

Can the caliper bolts and pins can be reused if i already have them for the FN74 brackets?

 

[kevinspann]

Can the caliper bolts and pins can be reused if i already have them for the FN74 brackets?

Those should be fine, its just the bracket bolts that are too long

 

[Irish Pride]

Well, i ran into a problem today. Started to do the upgrade and thankfully before i got to involved in it i found out that my wheels(canadians) will not fit onto the spindles/hubs that i have. The lip on the hubs is too wide and my wheels will not fit over it. It goes onto the lugs fine so i know its the right bolt pattern but i cannot mount the wheels. Are canadians and italians suppost to be identical other than the directional issue? Do the italians have a wider center that allows them to fit the hubs?

Do these look right?

 

[Shoaz]

Maybe try to knock some of that rust off the hub snout, but get a micrometer or something on the hub and the wheel and see what the difference is. FWIW, just to reiterate in case it hasn't gotten through, there is NO DIFFERENCE between Canadian and Italian slicers as far as fitment is concerned.

See if the hub bore on the wheel has gotten distorted for some reason. A bend or ding on the wheel hub bore would also prevent it from seating.

Otherwise, somebody may have put the wrong hub in, but if the Italian wheels fit, the Canadians should fit fine, too.

Quick edit: the other thing to check is that the knurls on those studs aren't too fat. There have been problems with some aftermarket hubs having studs that are too short (for some wheels) and have thicker knurls than stock.

 

[Irish Pride]

I did a measurement and the center opening on my front wheels is a little over 2 1/4 inches across. The lip on the hubs that i have measure 2 1/2 inches across. The lip on the hubs are def. too wide for my wheels to mount. They will go onto the studs just fine. Its not a matter of the studs being too big or the hubs being rusty. There is no way my wheels will fit flush on these hubs.

I did some checking at autozone and as most of you already know, there was a 91 SHO and a 91 1/2 SHO. The 91 1/2 SHO got some of the upgraded parts that went onto the 92. The hubs were one of those parts. The hubs on the 91 are different from the 91 1/2, and the hubs on the 91 1/2 are the same as the ones on the 92, 93, 94, and 95.

I got the hubs i have from a very active member here on the forum and he knows his stuff and assures me that he has had the same hubs on his old car with canadians and italians on them. The 91 hubs are a special order part so i couldnt measure them but at this point there are 2 possible answers for my problem. Either (a)the 2 hubs offered on the 91s have different fitments and my car has the ones that are smaller of the two and do not match the later 91 1/2 - 95 hubs. For that to be accurate there must have been 2 different center sized canadians available to go with the 2 different hubs that were used. or (b) the hubs that are on the 94/95 spindles that i have are the same lug pattern but do not go to a SHO and that is why my canadians do not fit. For that to be true the person i got these hubs from must have sent me hubs from something else. So at this point i dont know what to think.

What i need now is for someone who has the 94/95 spindles/hubs to measure the width of the mounting rings on the hubs so i can figure out what i have. If they measure a little over 2 1/4 inches then they are the same as whats on my car and the hubs i have are not for a SHO. If they measure right at 2 1/2 inches then the hubs i have are the ones i need but the wheels on my car are too small to work with them.

 

[Shoaz]

Something isn't right here.

Are you trying to fit the wheel onto that bare hub?

Put a brake rotor on the hub first, which will take up the fat part of the snout. The wheel fits onto the narrower part.

 

[Irish Pride]

Problem solved. I guess i'm a ***** for not catching it sooner. Parts store gave me the wrong rotors. Got the right rotors and everything fits fine. The fat part of the snout was the problem but now that i have the right rotors the wheels will go on flush.