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From the engine book I've been able to identify most of the coolant hoses at the back (left side) of the engine adjacent to the thermostat.

So far I can account for the following:
  • Water bypass #2 to the oil cooler (green)
  • Bypass #6 to the throttle body - not using (brown).
  • The outlet & inlet for the heater (blue)

What I can't seem to ID are:
  • A - large angled port out of thermostat housing (yellow)
  • B - small port out of thermostat housing (blue)
  • C - large port at bottom of throttle body (purple)

Any ideas?

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A is where the other Heater water line is actually supposed to go. See C for what that big hose you have labeled as the water line actually is. The fitting poking aft is labeled correctly.

B is what "Water Bypass Hose #6 to TB" hooks up to if you're bypassing the TB. You need to hook something up to #6, otherwise you will have a hot coolant jet out the side of your engine. This is "bad".

C is the TB intake for what passes for the PCV system on the engine. The other end of that is an equally large fitting in the cylinder head valley. I'm pretty sure the big long hose you have labeled as "Heater water line" up forward is what is supposed to go into C.
 

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Here, this shows what "A" and "B" are supposed to be - from the build-up of my wife's '95 ATX.

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Thanks confirmed my thoughts of my hookup. Also good diagrams. Thanks again Maurice
 

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You're welcome! Always happy to help a fellow SHO owner out, even if I don't deal with them much myself nowadays.
 

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Jason,

Execellent. I totally forgot that the hose routed under the intake runners was in fact ventilation - which will be another questions I have down the road.

Your images make sense for all ports except the small one adjacent to the coolent temp sensor - the one I have labeled Bypass #6.
 

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Gerard, Route that little hose on the manifold to the other little ****** on the manifold. Your throttle body already has it's heater passageway ******* cut off, so all you can do is connect those two ******* on the manifold or cut them off flush also and tap and plug the holes.

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I posted this in another thread, but it's every bit as applicable here. You'll want to ignore my markings, as they don't tell you what you need to know here.

This is the TB warming loop - a hose comes off from the bottom left hand-ish corner of the picture and goes to the TB. That is what you have labeled as Water Bypass hose #6.

Then, that coolant goes from the TB to the IAC spacer, which is literally just a heating block.

Then, the coolant goes from the IAC spacer back to the water block, at the location marked as "B" on your picture.

The only purpose these hoses serve is to warm the air going through the TB in order to keep the TB from freezing closed. This does happen, but only in very, very rare circumstances. I've had it happen to me once, but I don't know of many other people that have had it happen, and that was in central Wisconsin. Simply stomp on the throttle to break it loose (or shift into neutral like any rational person).

Since I'm sure you're aware that warmer air is less dense air, you can understand why many people simply bypass this entire loop. Not only does it keep the air a little cooler, but it means that you don't have to disconnect any coolant lines when removing the intake, and that shaves about 20 minutes off the process. The aggravation and frustration it eliminates cannot be measured, but it is significant.

Here is perhaps a much better picture showing how to bypass this heating loop:

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This should better show both of the hose locations. The big hose with no end is the PCV hose - it should look familiar to you! It also shows where the end of one of the heater hoses goes - labeled "A" in your original picture.

Edit: If you have removed the coolant ******* from your TB, then you will have no choice but to route the hose as shown above.

Another note: That IAC spacer is no longer required if you're not running that coolant loop. The IAC still fits, and you get much better access to the two screws that hold it on.
 
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Thanks Tom & Jason. I follow you now. I purposely ground off the ******* on the TB to avoid the warm-air situation. I think I'll try the loop you both suggested first. If for any reason that doesn't work for me, then I'll grind & plug.

Now on to crank ventilation.
 

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Here's a final graphic for future reference that shows the correct relationship based on your input.

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Excellant. I bypassed that spacer when rotated intake. Read somewhere else to do it. Maurice
 

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You got it. That's precisely how it goes.

I highly recommend installing a catch can between that hose and the TB. You would not believe the amount of gunky shit that so-called PCV system will dump into the intake.

Here's an example of one I installed in my wife's '95. It's a simple can - the thin red lines show the routing.

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Beautiful engine art Jason. If you didn't live in VA I'd come by and steal it from you. :angelnot:

BTW - where did you find the catch can?
 
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BTW - where did you find the catch can?

Ebay IIRC. It's been powdercoated, and some other work was done to it - it had one of those stupid "sight glass" tubes that's just a clear plastic tube that breaks and creates a huge vacuum leak. We plugged them with huge-ass set screws and exhaust cement, and replaced the 5/16"NPT barbs with 1/2" barbs to avoid having to step the hose size down and back up again.
 

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Excellent diagrams, photos, documentation in this thread, top notch :thumb:

I really only wanted to ad some attention to the little comment in one of the diagrams to NOT reuse the spring hose clamps rather replace with screw tights. I've been doing a head gasket job and have everything apart and when pulling everything apart some of the spring clamps came off easier than expected. I remember thinking "wow that was too easy, I can't believe this actually holds." I mean, I'm pulling stuff that hasn't been touched in 160k miles so the hoses are pretty much fuzed to their males and won't leak, but still! Additionally, the locations and difficulty getting to these with the engine all intact would be near impossible, so the point I'm making is while your in there replace the clamps too!
 

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Jamie - good point. Never been a big fan of the spring clamps. The 914 used them a lot. They do have one advantage and that is they don't require as much space as the threaded style - but I do threaded now.
 

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Anybody know of a source to replace the Heater Inlet Hose? My nephews is leaking at the small rubber hose section where it comes off the engine.
 

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Just cut off the crimp and put on a short section of silicone or rubber hose with a hose clamp.
 

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