2017 Taurus SHO

[Vigilante]

So I just got the Platinum White SHO with PP. After reading a lot of the posts here on the forum I am seeing that most of the upgrades including tunes and parts are for 2016 and below SHO's. We are now in June 2017. When will 2017 SHO's get these upgrades?

Frank
2017 White Platinum with PP
1995 Midnight Blue SHO 5-speed

 

[bpd1151]

Physical performance parts are able to be installed, so you're good there. No matter the vendor you source/choose.

However, from what I am hearing as of late, is that the tuning is becoming more and more challenging, as all of the major auto mfg'ers, including FMC, are encrypting their ECM's with even more advanced security layers, etc. Making even the most advanced of aftermarket tuners out there, unable to crack same.

Will be real interesting seeing how the tuning world may be, say..... 5yrs (or less) from now.

From what I am hearing, it sounds like any attempts at future tuning from 2017 model years and beyond, will likely involve having to purchase an entirely separate ECM and install that POST OEM ECM, and then tune from there.

Which if that does pan out as I suspect, will only serve to increase cost(s) significantly to all of us individual owner(s) / end user(s).

I would check with w/e vendor you may be thinking about using, and see what they suggest. Good luck.

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[Spyke]

So I just got the Platinum White SHO with PP. After reading a lot of the posts here on the forum I am seeing that most of the upgrades including tunes and parts are for 2016 and below SHO's. We are now in June 2017. When will 2017 SHO's get these upgrades?

Frank
2017 White Platinum with PP
1995 Midnight Blue SHO 5-speed

I'm in the same exact boat as you. 2017 Platinum white but no PP. I called up Livernois and the guy on the phone said the tune was available, but their website shows otherwise. Oh well guess it gives me time to get used to it stock and put a few miles on it beforehand.

 

[SHOinVa]

WOW

Physical performance parts are able to be installed, so you're good there. No matter the vendor you source/choose.

However, from what I am hearing as of late, is that the tuning is becoming more and more challenging, as all of the major auto mfg'ers, including FMC, are encrypting their ECM's with even more advanced security layers, etc. Making even the most advanced of aftermarket tuners out there, unable to crack same.

Will be real interesting seeing how the tuning world may be, say..... 5yrs (or less) from now.

From what I am hearing, it sounds like any attempts at future tuning from 2017 model years and beyond, will likely involve having to purchase an entirely separate ECM and install that POST OEM ECM, and then tune from there.

Which if that does pan out as I suspect, will only serve to increase cost(s) significantly to all of us individual owner(s) / end user(s).

I would check with w/e vendor you may be thinking about using, and see what they suggest. Good luck.

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That is an incredibly interesting piece of information, I never really though about it in those terms. I would think it will come down to money, if there is a market there is a way, hence the fact there are parts/tunes for a SHO but not that many because the market is so small. I also think there are people out there who break into computers just for fun so nothing is full proof the question is can it be done without anyone knowing you where there. Not saying you are wrong but eventually the market wins out over every company in the end. Anyway unless I win the lottery I'm a long way away from a 2017 car so I will worry about that when I need to. Have a great day all.
Charlie

 

[StealBlueSho]

I can speak a bit to this....

If Ford is truly encrypting the ECUs, with the available encryption algorithms today, and encryption models such a PKI, then "cracking" an ECU that employs these technologies are going to virtually impossible.

We may as BPD1151 has eluded to, see the days of piggy back ECUs make a reoccurrence in a big way.

Additionally, to encrypt hardware/software has become increasingly cheaper. Which is what the bottom line cares about. Is it cheaper to encrypt all the ECUs vs the costs to fix cars under warranty that may have failed due to aftermarket programming? Seems that perhaps that scale has finally tilted...

 

[SHOinVa]

OK I can accept that, Maybe I should put it this way, IMHO Horsepower wars are back in a big way at least for now, it would be very short sighted of any company to drastically limit the amount of modification just to avoid a few more warranty claims. If someone buys a car and he can not realistically modify it to meets his needs he will trade it in for one he can. Truth is Dodge seems to be leading the war right now, so if I cant modify my Ford to keep up with my competition then I start to question my brand loyalty.
As an example when I was a kid, Ford had eased out of the performance world and it became very expensive to make a Ford go fast (I'm sure there are a lot more reasons it became expensive but you get my point). As a result everyone begin building Chevy's, because they where just so much cheaper, Ford has never really recovered from that and even today you see a lot fewer Fords at any race track you go to. My point is if they lock everything down an the market can not overcome it in an affordable way the market will go elsewhere. Like I said just my two cents.
C/

 

[sperold]

The motivation is keeping your car from being "hijacked" by serious hackers and then being held for ransom, or whatever.

The tuning hardship is just collateral damage, not a plot to spoil your fun.

 

[Majestic]

Most manufacturers are trying to make it illegal to modify stock programming. Read up on John Deere:

https://www.wired.com/2015/04/dmca-ownership-john-deere/

That article is a couple of years old, but the issue continues.

 

[brucelinc]

I cannot speak specifically to the SHO but Livernois and others are offering tunes for 2017 Fusion Sports and 2017 Lincoln MKZs and they both have newer generation engines than the SHO. I would be slightly surprised if Ford made a significant change to the ecu in the SHO for model year 2017 but it is possible I suppose.

 

[StealBlueSho]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/ransomware-the-next-big-automotive-cybersecurity-threat/

 

[SilverSH0]

WOW


That is an incredibly interesting piece of information, I never really though about it in those terms. I would think it will come down to money, if there is a market there is a way, hence the fact there are parts/tunes for a SHO but not that many because the market is so small. I also think there are people out there who break into computers just for fun so nothing is full proof the question is can it be done without anyone knowing you where there. Not saying you are wrong but eventually the market wins out over every company in the end. Anyway unless I win the lottery I'm a long way away from a 2017 car so I will worry about that when I need to. Have a great day all.
Charlie

I agree here. As long as there's enough of a demand for tuning there will be companies that provide that tuning. Look at Android phone rooting and how the manufactures of phones keep trying to prevent developers from rooting their phones. What happens is a new top of the line flagship phone comes out, it's not able to be rooted for 6-12 months, and then someone cracks the new guards and everyone gets rooting ability. If you think cars need to protected from being hijacked, it's much more so on a phone.

Ultimately, if what bpd says actually happens then smaller less popular vehicles (like the SHO) may no longer have tuner support. But there will always be a HUGE market for the major cars like Mustangs and Camaros and the tuners will get through it before too long. Things like mentioned may cause the tuner market to contract, but it will never disappear.

 

[bpd1151]

It's not a matter of tuning not being available, per se, it's the extent of having to do the piggyback system.

2017 model years for the 2.7 have been cracked, but the 3.5's specifically, have yet to be. And its' due to the encrypting being performed.

From what I understand, the piggyback type set up may end being the route most will be forced to take.

Again, checking with your chosen tuning vendor is ultimately what I suggest.

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[Vigilante]

I spoke with a rep from Livernois today regarding tuning for my 2017 SHO. He talked like they could do it so it would appear the 3.5 has been cracked!

 

[SilvererSHO]

Let's say the 2010 SHO was advertised back when it came out as the first car to not be able to be tuned. Does FoMoCo think they would have even sold half as many Gen. 4 SHO's as they have?

 

[SilvererSHO]

OK I can accept that, Maybe I should put it this way, IMHO Horsepower wars are back in a big way at least for now, it would be very short sighted of any company to drastically limit the amount of modification just to avoid a few more warranty claims. If someone buys a car and he can not realistically modify it to meets his needs he will trade it in for one he can. Truth is Dodge seems to be leading the war right now, so if I cant modify my Ford to keep up with my competition then I start to question my brand loyalty.
As an example when I was a kid, Ford had eased out of the performance world and it became very expensive to make a Ford go fast (I'm sure there are a lot more reasons it became expensive but you get my point). As a result everyone begin building Chevy's, because they where just so much cheaper, Ford has never really recovered from that and even today you see a lot fewer Fords at any race track you go to. My point is if they lock everything down an the market can not overcome it in an affordable way the market will go elsewhere. Like I said just my two cents.
C/

Yup, I agree. I've never been a Ford guy. The reason I bought a SHO is because it's a big safe hotrod that I can haul my family around in a snowstorm with AWD and can be had for fairly cheap used. It looks pretty good to me. I'm not crazy about it. All cars nowadays look cookie cutter to me. Much better and more traditional than a lot of the other crap on the road though. Oh, and it's supposedly very responsive to bolt-ons and tuning. If the later wasn't true I would have bought something else though. I'm not too brand loyal with anything.

 

[brucelinc]

I got so spoiled by Livernois tuned MKS, I don't think I could enjoy any car without a tune. I have been driving my Continental stock for 6 months and have been bored to death with it since no tunes were available. It looks like there is light at the end of the tunnel but if we can't make it run like the MKS, it will be replaced with a 2018 Mustang.

 

[SHOdded]

Former: 1995 ATX, 1992 MTX

 

[moonie]

http://origin-nyi.thehill.com/polic...port-for-legalizing-consumers-right-to-repair

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

I spoke with a rep from Livernois today regarding tuning for my 2017 SHO. He talked like they could do it so it would appear the 3.5 has been cracked!

The 2017 SHO has all the same capabilities for tuning as the previous years. The 3.5 never needed to be cracked in this model as the only changes were in interior or technical options, nothing related to the drivetrain. We do offer full support for the 2017 SHO with all of our mods. The 3.5 in the F150 is quite different however and has not been cracked by us. (mostly transmission related)

 

[OmaHahn]

Well, if Ford is smart and accepts their customers (a majority of them especially the ones that buy performance vehicles) will want to modify them in some sort of way! Therefore, Ford needs to continue and grow / add more products to their Ford Performance line! A lot of manufacturers have gone this route - some German ones have a full blown OEM aftermarket tunes & products for their customers. Plus, what a great way to capture even more revenue from this market!