2010 SHO brakes

[shobote]

per the info from a brake supplier I've bought other racing gear from:

Here's a breakdown of what the Nextel Cup teams ran at Infineon in June:

AP Racing 30
Alcon 0
Brembo 11
PFC 3
Raybestos 3
Wilwood 0
StopTech 0

Kasey Kahne and Tony Stewart used AP Racing's large "DTM" caliper. They finished first and second. Marcos Ambrose and Jimmy Johnson used them as well so that they were on the first through fourth finishers.

This past weekend at Watkins Glen, 31 out of 43 cars ran the fairly newish "DTM" spec AP Racing caliper (including Tony Stewart and Marcos Ambrose in 1st and 2nd).

And 22 teams ran the Wilwood "A" pad at the glen, I used to run that pad on my 89 in the early 2000's and it is still the best I have ever used! It's amazing to me, that as fast as technology moves, that compound is still being used at the highest levels of motorsport.

Tx; Good info there; I also had Wilwoods on my 240z track car and really liked them, as they never faded; 2 of the teams at Road America I talked with last year told me they switched over from Wilwoods and Alcons, and were much happier with Stoptech. Many others outside of the good ole boys have had good success with them. Found this on their site, but am sure other suppliers can reference successes similarly too. http://www.stoptech.com/satisfied_customers/race_team.shtml

 

[OSU 4 SHO]

So, have you actually driven one yet? No? Well...

pax, smn

All I can say is that my opinions stand. I will go on a test drive with an open mind when they become available to drive, but the paper evidence is piling up against the SHO.

 

[kikkinasphalt]

All I can say is that my opinions stand. I will go on a test drive with an open mind when they become available to drive, but the paper evidence is piling up against the SHO.

according to the blind while driving it you will be so wowed and in bliss that the fact the car has a serious weight issue and cant stop will become irrelevant.

they yell about not "knowing" the SHO by driving it. yet these same people refuse to acknowledge the faults the car does have as if some super mythical hand is going to come out of Ford and smack them.

 

[St Louis SHO]

My .02 is that Ford didnt build this car to run hot laps at talladega. The brakes are plenty adequate for daily driving.... Just saying...

 

[kikkinasphalt]

My .02 is that Ford didnt build this car to run hot laps at talladega. The brakes are plenty adequate for daily driving.... Just saying...

that i can agree with. but if you were buying the new SHO simply as a commuter car why not just save the bucks and buy the sEL?

being a performance variant of the taurus i would have expected (as did many of us) braking better than that of the grandma version

 

[SilverThunder]

that i can agree with. but if you were buying the new SHO simply as a commuter car why not just save the bucks and buy the sEL?

being a performance variant of the taurus i would have expected (as did many of us) braking better than that of the grandma version

Who wants a SLO, when you get to work faster in a tt SHO?

 

[Toolman]

that i can agree with. but if you were buying the new SHO simply as a commuter car why not just save the bucks and buy the sEL?

being a performance variant of the taurus i would have expected (as did many of us) braking better than that of the grandma version

It stops 17ft shorter than the grandma version, despite being heavier.

 

[drivinhard]

It stops 17ft shorter than the grandma version, despite being heavier.

likely the result of the GY F1 tires

anybody know if they are the GY F1 Supercars (non run flat)? Those are what came on the Ford GT and C5Z06, they are very sticky

 

[Huntervf]

they yell about not "knowing" the SHO by driving it. yet these same people refuse to acknowledge the faults the car does have as if some super mythical hand is going to come out of Ford and smack them.

I'm well aware of the faults, and have acknowledged them often.

What I do find very telling is that the people with the most to say against the car also happen to be the ones who've never even seen it, never mind driven it.

 

[kikkinasphalt]

Who wants a SLO, when you get to work faster in a tt SHO?

lol agreed

It stops 17ft shorter than the grandma version, despite being heavier.

hats another car length and neither stop well

I'm well aware of the faults, and have acknowledged them often.

What I do find very telling is that the people with the most to say against the car also happen to be the ones who've never even seen it, never mind driven it.

again i dont have to drive the car to read specs. i dont have to touch it to read the many reviews.

ive maintained that the car is a Godsend to our community. and ill also maintain that perhaps it can be a lighter car, and that being a performance version i would have like to have seen better brakes.

i also noted that if it were a lighter car that a launch control would be a nice addition.

 

[OSU 4 SHO]

It stops 17ft shorter than the grandma version, despite being heavier.

likely the result of the GY F1 tires

anybody know if they are the GY F1 Supercars (non run flat)? Those are what came on the Ford GT and C5Z06, they are very sticky

toolman, you are smart enough to know that the tires were the main reason it stopped shorter with the upgraded pads playing a minimal role. The point of the brakes is that they are not up to par with the engine. That isn't to say they can't get decent stopping distances once, they clearly can. Giving a car 100 more hp and more weight with only a pad upgrade is nonsense.

I highly doubt they are the supercar tires.

Like I said, I don't plan on buying one so I will test drive it, and resort to the shoforum to voice my OPINION of the car. No intentions other than that.

Also, is there really anything wrong with having an opinion? Its not like any of the stuff I or some others have been saying is out of left field. Many of you act like were saying crazy illogical things. Wanting the car to have better brakes, the performance package standard with optional wheel sizes and a better transmission (even if it is a tq converted auto) are not things ANYONE on here would complain about. And in my opinion are things that should come standard on a performance oriented car for 40-45k.

 

[Toolman]

The tires are indeed Eagle F1 Supercars, 245/45, on an 8" wheel. Did they have most of the effect on the lower stopping distance, yes, but keep in mind that the 17ft shorter mentioned was in comparison to a FWD car, one that is a good 300lbs lighter. The brakes in question are not exactly puny, being 12.8 x 1.2. With even better pads and some race fluid, I see no reason for these brakes to be unable to handle this car just fine for daily driving. I do wish that they had better brake packages available for the SHO.

No, an opinion is fine. And on all the points you mention, I am in agreement.

 

[Huntervf]

Nothing wrong with having an opinion. But they're better wielded when you have something to back them up

Not a slam there... just my opinion

 

[shobote]

so, here is the reply from Stoptech regarding 2010 big brakes; anybody know if these are the same as the Fusion ?

It’s a possibility but we haven’t looked into it yet. If the car has similar parts to the Fusion, it may be a simple bolt on thing but this is the time any of us have even heard anything about it. If we were to produce something, it would not likely be for a few months at least.





Erik Steinkamp

Ph: 310.933.1156

F: 310.933.1109

www.stoptech.com

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www.centricparts.com

AIM: BrakesNotBreaks

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[SHO1]

My .02 is that Ford didnt build this car to run hot laps at talladega. The brakes are plenty adequate for daily driving.... Just saying...

I get your point, but I think Talledega is bad example (any other track would be better), prob more brake used on the street than at Talladega, especially if you take pit stops out of the equation. Normally 0 brakes used on a hot lap. Just sayin' :wave:

 

[St Louis SHO]

Ok, Watkins Glen then.

BTW, I hate nascar.

 

[shobote]

More communications from ERik at Stoptech:

The Fusion and Mazda 6 share the same platform…we developed the kit in preparation for the TriPoint Mazda World Challenge race team in preparation for the change to the new platform but they didn’t/haven’t done that yet.



The street kit is a front only, 328x28mm 4 piston setup that would have a starting retail price of $1995. On the SHO, we would probably go larger and do a 355x32mm kit with 4 or 6 piston calipers since it is larger, heavier and appears to have 18” or larger wheels standard. That would range in the $2795-$3195 price for 4 and 6 piston front kits respectively. We probably would not do a rear kit unless the parking brake situation and mounting points are such that it can be installed with little or no modifications. There is of course the possibility that we will not be able to make a kit for it due to extreme wheel fitment issues or other problems related to modifying the factory spindles or other unknown and unspeakable issues.

Erik Steinkamp

Ph: 310.933.1156

F: 310.933.1109

www.stoptech.com

www.powerslot.com

www.centricparts.com

AIM: BrakesNotBreaks

SEMA Booth #22387

 

[SHO1]

Well, def some brakes used there.

NASCAR Rocks!! And Mark Martin's Da MAN!!

 

[Todd TCE]

Thoughts....


First this new SHO is really unlikely to see much track use. Be honest here...the new car is farther from a track car than the G3 car is with regard to weight, size, price etc. It's a business mans sporty sedan now 10yrs past the last attempt at that market. (i.e. BMW, Infinity, blah blah blah)

The car shares nothing in common with the Fusion as it's on a totally different platform. It's Volvo or Flex but sedan. Far larger than the Fusion.

Market for brakes for this car will be spotty at best. I'll have something shortly but not directly for the SHO....think Flex and related. Think broader market!

Wilwood is not well represented any longer in the top tier of Cup racing. Not because the other stuff is oh so much better but that most of those teams are factory supported to run such parts. Wilwood doesn't do much of that any longer. No need too as they cater to the lower ranks where they can SELL product rather than give it away. I've had this conversation so trust me on much of it. They do have calipers on par with those mfgs also. But for you the reader who is considering spending money and looking at FSL or BSL6 calipers at the $175-400 (!! WOW) price. Not the STR caliper or such I can offer you at $3200. Each. Don't feel left out...I've never sold one either! lol

Poly A pads are a proven performer in many classes. And even in those way over priced $400 calipers! Better yet for most the new H compound is a better choice for rotor wear though.




Call me when you have 8 large to spend and I'll build you a six *** kit with 1.625" wide rotors!

 

[hawkeye18]

My .02:

Opinions are great. Everybody should have them and discuss them. But when you start presenting your opinions as facts, that's when you start ******* your people off.

It's a simple solution, really; stop believing that your opinions are facts. They are not.