Gianni
New Member
I am coming up on 100K. I know I still need to have my cams done. I already have new plugs and wires. What else should I have done? Timing chain, etc. TIA.
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SHO#7
SHO Member
For my 100k I had the cam's welded, with the use of new gaskets. Cleaned the intake, IMRC, wrap the rear wiring harness, inspect the coils, ( You have some plug wires ?
SHO#7
SHO Member
Ooops... Pushed enter too soon. V8 SHO's do not have plug wires shrug ... And I also replaced the spark plugs. All my other maint. was up to date, but there are fluid changes due at that time too.
stevetatro
New Member
You think the V8 has plug wires and I let you flush my tranny?
Lord help me!!!
How did the cam weld go? I trust you now drive it like it's supposed to be driven!
Take care.
Lord help me!!!
How did the cam weld go? I trust you now drive it like it's supposed to be driven!
Take care.
Gianni
New Member
My bad, I meant I had new plugs and coils.
SHO#7
SHO Member
Steve- read what I wrote again. I said the V8 does NOT have wires. And yes I was out on Sunday giving lessons on I275. boink
Nomad
New Member
I am new to this forum but what is the deal with redoing the cams. I put 110,000 miles on a 94 SHO and have 133,000 on my 97 SHO. Are the cams a problem?
SHO#7
SHO Member
Welcome, I'm newer too. You need to visit WWW.V8SHO.COM and you can decide for yourself. But my cams are welded.
SHOWHAT9
SHO Member
Your profile indicates you are a sales engineer. Now I know that there are all sorts of engineering disciplines. I would suggest though that the mechanics of our cams is quite simple. Without securing the sprockets, they eventually dance on the cam. This is knows fancifully as the dance of death. Once the cam shifts out of position at any rpm, at any mileage on the clock, you got problems. Simple answer - to prolong the life of your SHO get the cams welded ASAP. They don't always give you warning. Once done, you'll have a great car that will make you nutz in other areas.
<small>[ June 25, 2003, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: SHOWHAT9 ]</small>
stephen newberg
SHO Member
Well, thuogh I personally think the above post is correct, from a purely technical standpoint, with only about a 2% reported failure rate to date, I do not think we can sa with certainty that in fact all Gen III SHOs will eventually suffer a cam sprocket failure if not welded. But I would suggest that getting the welding done is a low cost, very effective preventative measure that is well worth the cost, if only for peace of mind. Finally got around to getting mine done, and am off to pick up the car now, in fact.
pax, smn
pax, smn
SHOWHAT9
SHO Member
While having recently been able to review first round of discovery, and unfortunately for obvious reason, not being able to go into great detail, I can assure any skeptics that no matter how you spin the math, the failure rate will be supported by evidence as much higher than 2%.
If you want a model for discussion sake try this. At last check we were at failure #274 in the V8SHO.com world. Assume we have perhaps 700 participants. Simple math shows the rate of this unscientific group at 39.14%. Now for those who are good with slide rules, exptrapolate that out over 20,000 or so cars.
When and if the time comes in our action, every owner will be polled as to whether or not they wish to join the class. I'm thinking Ford may not want it to get to that point.
When the time comes, most of you will be utterly shocked, as Tim and I were at what was going on. Don't press me as I'm sure you'll understand I can't divulge any information that I have seen until the appropriate time. I would simply say I STRONGLY encourage any owner who values this car to spend less than what you would on a fine set of tires to prolong the life of this unique car.
BTW, a recent report came in from an owner that had his cams replaced under ESP that there were three other GENIII's at this particular dealership with the same problem and no ESP. How hurtin you think those folks will be?
<small>[ June 26, 2003, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: SHOWHAT9 ]</small>
99V8SHO
GasOilAndTires
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE BEEN THROUGH THIS???
One person has his opinion, another has his, and so on. The topic about how many people have reprted failures and how many will or will not eventually fail has been debated so many times right here on this same forum it is not even funny! At this point it is just annoying. Agree to disagree and move on! rant
One person has his opinion, another has his, and so on. The topic about how many people have reprted failures and how many will or will not eventually fail has been debated so many times right here on this same forum it is not even funny! At this point it is just annoying. Agree to disagree and move on! rant
SHOWHAT9
SHO Member
This is not about whether or not I agree with Steve or anybody else. Interestingly enough, I see you have had your car Kirk'd. Therefore I must surmise you see merit in the fact that we may have a problem. Think a moment about the one GENIII owner who got his fixed with new "defective" cams under ESP and the three other corpses at the dealership. You think those folks will have either the inclination or benji's to repair a car they were told would last 100K before first tuneup??
It's nothing more than trying as best as possible to insure everybody has adequate informmation to make their own choice. I personally don't give a flying hoot who I irritate, I will continue to give them information that they have a consititutional right to ignore.
Other than that,as usual, I have no Opinion.
99V8SHO
GasOilAndTires
Sorry. I didnt mean to come off sounding like that. I am actually on your side, however, that comment was not directed at any one individual. This cam issue has been beat to death. I know everybody has their own opinion. Personally, I think that all genIII owners should have their cams welded. But that is not my issue. My issue is the fact that it keeps getting brought back up and the same people with their same opinions about the topic come and post the same things over and over again. I am not attacking anybody, and if anybody feels like that I apologize. Just felt I should clarify.
SHOWHAT9
SHO Member
All due respect noted..
stephen newberg
SHO Member
"the failure rate will be supported by evidence as much higher than 2%."
I am sure personally, that this will be so. But for the moment, the documented publicly available rate is in fact in the 2% region.
"If you want a model for discussion sake try this. At last check we were at failure #274 in the V8SHO.com world. Assume we have perhaps 700 participants. Simple math shows the rate of this unscientific group at 39.14%."
And if the lawyers for the class action suit use that kind of logic, we will lose the case. V8SHO.COM is a self selected group and since it for some time it has concentrated on this particular cam problem, the rate of reported failures from its participants is not going to be a valid measure of anything, statistically.
However, I have zero doubt that the rate of failure on the cam sprocket problem, given a long enough use life, is 100% without some sort of preventative work. The question is, accepting even that, what will be the final failure rate within the normalized comparative vehicle life rate? Something to that effect will eventually have to be known and, as your case becomes public, hopefully it will be. I would be very happy to be notified to sign on to the class action, whenever that is possible.
As a general data point, my cam welding having been done at the start of this week, the cost was about $800 in Canadian funds, including getting the runners cleaned, the oil changed, the spark plugs changed, and taxes and such. I think that compares well with the US costs I have read of. If you look at just the welding, and not the other stuff done at the same time since we were there anyway, it was only $640 Canadian, or about $400 US, taxes included, which I considered very reasonable.
pax, smn
I am sure personally, that this will be so. But for the moment, the documented publicly available rate is in fact in the 2% region.
"If you want a model for discussion sake try this. At last check we were at failure #274 in the V8SHO.com world. Assume we have perhaps 700 participants. Simple math shows the rate of this unscientific group at 39.14%."
And if the lawyers for the class action suit use that kind of logic, we will lose the case. V8SHO.COM is a self selected group and since it for some time it has concentrated on this particular cam problem, the rate of reported failures from its participants is not going to be a valid measure of anything, statistically.
However, I have zero doubt that the rate of failure on the cam sprocket problem, given a long enough use life, is 100% without some sort of preventative work. The question is, accepting even that, what will be the final failure rate within the normalized comparative vehicle life rate? Something to that effect will eventually have to be known and, as your case becomes public, hopefully it will be. I would be very happy to be notified to sign on to the class action, whenever that is possible.
As a general data point, my cam welding having been done at the start of this week, the cost was about $800 in Canadian funds, including getting the runners cleaned, the oil changed, the spark plugs changed, and taxes and such. I think that compares well with the US costs I have read of. If you look at just the welding, and not the other stuff done at the same time since we were there anyway, it was only $640 Canadian, or about $400 US, taxes included, which I considered very reasonable.
pax, smn
SHOWHAT9
SHO Member
You are correct about one thing. V8SHO.COM is a serving group - we serve anybody who asks. I also advocate choice. You can choose to weld em, you can choose not to. You can choose to visit V8SHO.COM and find a veritable on line library regarding our cars. That was and still is its purpose. The cam thing fell into our laps and WE decided to do something about it. That being said, it is now in the hands of the legal system. It will be what it will be.
Mac98SHO
Active Member
Hmmmmm,
I think the tranny failure would be more on my mind... I bet, that failure rate is higher
Could not resist.
I think the tranny failure would be more on my mind... I bet, that failure rate is higher
Could not resist.
stephen newberg
SHO Member
Rabble Rouser! wink
pax, smn
pax, smn
