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Wow... TTSHO.. you have alot to learn about SHO's and Dyno readings. I highley doubt ANY N/A SHO puts out 500hp.. and 18.1:1 CR is common on drag race engines, such as Top fuel, etc. Diesel C/R is more like 20.1:1 static. Before posting do some homework. I'll believe a 500hp NA SHO when I see the dyno sheet.

James
 

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nope 3.0 or 3.2. they have a "build up" for 300hp NA
SHO Shop was claiming 300 flywheel hp with a fully built 3.2 with polished/ ported heads, stage 2 cams, EH intake, BBB, MAF, LPM, Y-pipe, cat-back and so on. Area91 is pretty close to 300hp at the flywheel.

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You guys just need to do what we do with the 3800s, skip the built blocks. You typically end up blowing them and then they cost you a lot of money. Run junkyard blocks and call it a day. Cams and an intercooled turbo are all you need. Kick in a set of slicks, skinnies, and a limiter for the rear suspension and you can have the car in the 11's. It's better to do it with an ATX though.

Speaking of the ATX, keep shift times slower and line pressure down. You'd rather smoke some clutches than break hard parts.

I don't know much of the GTPs but id assume their transmissions can take more torque then either our MTX or ATX can handle. Cams, I/C turbo, slicks sounds like enough to start getting you in trouble with transmissions.

:evilgrin: I like setting reccords. who would have though I would ever be able to be doing thins kind of stuff on a $300 a week pay check. i've got more money on transmissions than the cost of the car + all maintnance and performance upgrades combined.

uhm, how? you must wear socks for shoes and paint clothes on. :biggrin:
 

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Seen it. Carborated, custom, revs so high it's nuts. It hit 223mph on the flats. I'll be seeing it again in a few weeks.

Just watched the 3.0 SHO motored steamliner run a 250 mph pass with a two way record at 244.416 mph. The modified roadster with a 3.0 sho motor on gas set a two way record at 163.568 mph with a run at 170 mph
 

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Wow... TTSHO.. you have alot to learn about SHO's and Dyno readings. I highley doubt ANY N/A SHO puts out 500hp.. and 18.1:1 CR is common on drag race engines, such as Top fuel, etc. Diesel C/R is more like 20.1:1 static. Before posting do some homework. I'll believe a 500hp NA SHO when I see the dyno sheet.

James

i hate to burst your bubble.... diesels run anywhere between 16:1 to 21:1 as far as i have seen... of course the lower comp ones are turboed and the higher comp ones normaly are NA. i know you can run sick comp ratios on "gas" motors with the right fuel but thats just a lil too much for me, i like seeing what you can do on no more than c10 fuel or propane for that matter. i have done my research 15 years of research tyvm, i dont speak without knowing for sure that what i speak is nothing less than the Facts.
 

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Seen it. Carborated, custom, revs so high it's nuts. It hit 223mph on the flats. I'll be seeing it again in a few weeks.

Thank you SeanMc, atleast someone knows of what i speak :p as you nonbelievers see there is a 500+hp NA sho motor running out there i dont tell ppl bs storeys of mythicle high hp sho motors that would just be silly. anything can be done with enough time and money put into it.
 

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sho shop if im not mistaken has a build up on how to get 300whp NA.

No, it was only 297 WHP :biggrin:, and I don't know HOW it was done, that was never documented as far as I know. Their catalogue showed how to get 300 _crank_ HP which has been done many times over.

From Vadim, sent to me 4/23/01, from a 10/3/00 dyno run on a 'Stage V' 3.2 ......

http://www.shonutperformance.com/SHO_Shop_297_WHP_NA.PDF

What interesting is that he sent me this fax to prove to me that there was lots of room in the stock injectors. He claimed this was done with stock injectors at the stock fuel pressure, and had more room to move (by the fact that he was able to keep it reasonably rich at high RPM). I remain sceptical, 362 CHP out of 6 - 24 lb/hr Densos requires a BSFC of 0.4 - and I don't think our motors are THAT good.

Maybe our 24's actually flow the 27 lb/hr that is in the EEC scalars, for a slightly more believable BSFC of 0.45, I don't know, I've never flow tested them at 39 psi (or any psi for that matter).

Of course, once you hop up the fuel pressure, you can get lots more power, like people routinely do with NOS kits, or even with our adjustable FPR, provided the fuel pump can push the required fuel flow at the higher pressure. Again, however, he claimed this was with a stock fuel system.

Disclaimer - don't believe everything you read on the internet, I sure don't ;)
 
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I remain sceptical, 362 CHP out of 6 - 24 lb/hr Densos requires a BSFC of 0.4 - and I don't think our motors are THAT good.

Maybe our 24's actually flow the 27 lb/hr that is in the EEC scalars, for a slightly more believable BSFC of 0.45, I don't know, I've never flow tested them at 39 psi (or any psi for that matter).

Hmmmm the EEC lists the injector size as being 27 lb/hr? now this is a interesting tidbit of info... makes me want to get my injectors flow tested to see the true numbers.
 

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Hmmmm the EEC lists the injector size as being 27 lb/hr? now this is a interesting tidbit of info... makes me want to get my injectors flow tested to see the true numbers.

Yep ..

TwEECer interface (an old version)
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... and here's a blast from the past.... This is a SnEEC datalog where I'm max'ing out my stock injectors on my stock 3.0L beater. This is in the winter - 2/28/03 - so with the dense air, probably at 0F, it's not a 'normal' air flow that you would see in the summer, but is still only ~200 WHP with the cold air, according to the G-tech. Of course if you wanted 13:1, you would have less fuel (or more air/power with the same fuel, assuming you can flow more air), but there's not a lot of room to make more power with the stock injectors from my testing.

maxed_injectors_stock_plus5fuel.gif
 

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Yep ..

TwEECer interface (an old version)
Scalars

SCTuner Interface
JoshB9B


... and here's a blast from the past.... This is a SnEEC datalog where I'm max'ing out my stock injectors on my stock 3.0L beater. This is in the winter - 2/28/03 - so with the dense air, probably at 0F, it's not a 'normal' air flow that you would see in the summer, but is still only ~200 WHP with the cold air, according to the G-tech. Of course if you wanted 13:1, you would have less fuel (or more air/power with the same fuel, assuming you can flow more air), but there's not a lot of room to make more power with the stock injectors from my testing.

Maxed injectors stock plus5fuel

maxing out at only 200whp?? then again thats was what the g-tech said you had correct? with my figures from personal experiance i have made 542hp on my 5.0 with 24# injectors... cut off 2 slugs and you have a crank hp of 406.5 of course this is with much higher fp than stock but still it shows that theres still more to be had. but i do find this quote of 27.4# for thst stock sho injectors quite interesting does anyone else have some more insight on this?
 

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from personal experiance i have made 542hp on my 5.0 with 24# injectors...
Probably had a FMU on it...

If that's the case, then it's not a true statement.

its still a true statement ...its just not the whole truth.

its why in court they make you swear to "tell the truth, the whole truth,and nothing but the truth"
 

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