Hood Louvers Kits Now Available

[aaron240]

That's crazy you got it in a wind tunnel! Awesome to see data on the specific angle of our cars with these vents. Having a superior product over your competitor is a great advantage.

Actually all I'm seeing here is you taking their recommendation, going off of another person's layout which obviously worked (with placement changes) and then acting like you brought some crazy product to the market. Apart from your install directions and the measly 3% off anybody can get you're two small steps from being irrelevant to the product at all. Copy, paste, and profit. Being such a quintessential part of the product being on their site maybe you should go to them and ask for a % of each sale, assuming they can't live without your help on that one I'm sure they'll happily oblige!

Someone is awfully nasty this morning. If you don’t like the mod or can’t afford it, don’t buy it. I don’t force anyone to buy anything, This is simply a new functional performance product offering for the SHO platform. Contrary to how you behave, I do not have to get approval from you to release a new product.

 

[Jordan_R]

Someone is awfully nasty this morning. If you don’t like the mod or can’t afford it, don’t buy it. I don’t force anyone to buy anything, This is simply a new functional performance product offering for the SHO platform. Contrary to how you behave, I do not have to get approval from you to release a new product.

You didn't release a product racelouvers, so graciously allowed you to resell it, and your butt buddy graciously praises the unfounded claims (Yes, race louvers probably has put these in a wind tunnel on a different car but don't need to be an engineer to understand that aerodynamics of a product on a different vehicle won't stay the same unless the product is before the car can effect the wind) like usually and you both laugh it off as "you're not an engineer you wouldn't understand." It's the same stuff just a different day.

Points summarized:
Reselling a universal product that fits on a car doesn't mean you've got some sort of big investment in on this.
You got the idea from someone else. (Which is fine but don't act like it's original)
The wind tunnel stuff isn't 100% applicable
What competition are you comparing to?
Race louvers didn't give a shit about whether or not you fitted these to your car in the first place and will under cut your pricing anyways.

I knew from the first time @yaycandy said he was working with you it was going to be an amazingly dynamic duo

 

[aaron240]

SHO Platform Members,

I wasn’t trying to cause drama with you guys, and I edited my original post. I was really excited about this mod, and maybe I got it out too soon. But I promise you guys, take another look at the vents as they are. Do a little bit of your own research if you want to, but I believe these to be the best purpose built/functional louvers/vents out there, and I’d be more than happy to offer the kit I helped facilitate for our platform to you guys and a discounted rate, I am just trying to help. I’m not perfect and I think I came off wrong, and that wasn’t my intention, and I apologize for that.

I would like to give a shout out thank @802SHO for his wise advice, recommendations, and guidance helping me correct the way I originally presented this to you. I am still learning when it comes to marketing and presenting products/offerings and I appreciate everyone’s support and patience.

 

[802SHO]

Yeah man sometimes the real story is too simple or boring but it will always come across a lot easier. Everyone had some great points against the way you originally presented it. To be honest that’s what makes this forum great. We don’t just accept things thrown at us, we question it.

 

[aaron240]

Yeah man sometimes the real story is too simple or boring but it will always come across a lot easier. Everyone had some great points against the way you originally presented it. To be honest that’s what makes this forum great. We don’t just accept things thrown at us, we question it.

I can respect that, and everyone should question whether it's a legitimate improvement or not. I do not want my name associated with bogus mods that don't add value or performance, which means it's a good thing to really put everything under a magnifying glass, making sure what's available for the extended group is the real deal.

 

[aaron240]

All,

Please see response from Al over at Race Louvers. Hopefully this helps clarifies things even further in regards to this platform upgrade and modification.

Al here from Race Louvers so let me set a few things straight:

1. Our performance claims "compared to the competition" are real, the competitors product we use is in fact a TrackSpec part, we use their part because that louver design is the most common design on the market, so if you look at any of our videos you will see the part being tested and if you look at any of our data we list the part by its design a 'recessed louver'.

2. As you can imagine wind tunnel time is expensive and testing every car ever made is impossible. So while we have not had a SHO in the wind tunnel we do have 92 test runs on several other cars in the wind tunnel all yielding extremely similar results, so I think we know what we are doing. If anyone would like to put a SHO in the tunnel I'd be glad to help but that'll set you back a good $5k.

3. For those that want data here ya go, downforce, cooling, drag, our stuff, competitors stuff, pics of actual products tested, tech tips etc https://racelouvers.com/test-data/ and plenty of videos here https://www.facebook.com/Race-Louvers-343413416426711/videos/?ref=page_internal

 

[Ta2dResqr]

Someone is awfully nasty this morning. If you don’t like the mod or can’t afford it, don’t buy it. I don’t force anyone to buy anything, This is simply a new functional performance product offering for the SHO platform. Contrary to how you behave, I do not have to get approval from you to release a new product.

I think the main hesitation with this product/presentation is the number/percentage claims. I do think there is a benefit to this product. Is it as much as claimed? Maybe, Maybe not. The problem is even pointed out in their own literature. They state that the vents need to be between perpendicular and 15 degrees. Vehicles all have different hood slopes and yet going by part numbers, it looks like they have a dozen vents in 3-4 levels (NASA, RS, RT and RX). A flat truck/SUV hood is going to place these vents at a very different angle than a sports car. Then if you start looking at percentage claims, they are all the exact same based on level. To make it simple, look at the Taurus in the RS level. They have 10-12 center and side or a 13-19 center and side. The 10-12 center vent has an areas of 126.5 sq in and the 13-19 center has an area of 230 sq in. The 10-12 side has an area of 115.5 sq in and the 13-19 has an area of 82.5 sq in. Yet in the description all 4 of these (with vastly different placement and area) all claim 203% more downforce and 154% more cooling than the competition. These numbers don't change based on application or size. The only way I see a change is by changing level. I don't blame you for this, you can only relay what is presented by the manufacturer. However, in this industry, when numbers start getting thrown around, people like to see proof behind those numbers. Just like the eBay "chip" can give you 15% more power for every application, people get hesitant when they see the exact same performance claims for every application and every size. If you look at their verification test document, they clearly mention that vehicles will yield various results based on engine configuration, equipment placement under the hood, etc. The '93 Mustang had 46% increase in Radiator flow and 29% decrease in Engine Bay pressure. On the opposite end, the 2015 Mustang had 19% less Radiator flow and 16% higher Engine Bay pressure. Using these 2 extremes, There is a 65% Radiator flow and 45% Engine Bay pressure difference. This is only in 92 test runs and 7 cars. How big would it be with more runs and more models? This is where companies spend big money to make these claims. If you go to someplace simple like K&N, they show an exact claim (like Race Louvers does) however, they put the exact make and model on each dyno sheet and they do it for every variation of product (filter, intake, cold air, etc). Race louvers appears to have chosen one data point and applied it to every level of that product in every application.

 

[Crazyeights]

Looks like you better have an accurate weather forecast for dry weather no matter what.

 

[aaron240]

I think the main hesitation with this product/presentation is the number/percentage claims. I do think there is a benefit to this product. Is it as much as claimed? Maybe, Maybe not. The problem is even pointed out in their own literature. They state that the vents need to be between perpendicular and 15 degrees. Vehicles all have different hood slopes and yet going by part numbers, it looks like they have a dozen vents in 3-4 levels (NASA, RS, RT and RX). A flat truck/SUV hood is going to place these vents at a very different angle than a sports car. Then if you start looking at percentage claims, they are all the exact same based on level. To make it simple, look at the Taurus in the RS level. They have 10-12 center and side or a 13-19 center and side. The 10-12 center vent has an areas of 126.5 sq in and the 13-19 center has an area of 230 sq in. The 10-12 side has an area of 115.5 sq in and the 13-19 has an area of 82.5 sq in. Yet in the description all 4 of these (with vastly different placement and area) all claim 203% more downforce and 154% more cooling than the competition. These numbers don't change based on application or size. The only way I see a change is by changing level. I don't blame you for this, you can only relay what is presented by the manufacturer. However, in this industry, when numbers start getting thrown around, people like to see proof behind those numbers. Just like the eBay "chip" can give you 15% more power for every application, people get hesitant when they see the exact same performance claims for every application and every size. If you look at their verification test document, they clearly mention that vehicles will yield various results based on engine configuration, equipment placement under the hood, etc. The '93 Mustang had 46% increase in Radiator flow and 29% decrease in Engine Bay pressure. On the opposite end, the 2015 Mustang had 19% less Radiator flow and 16% higher Engine Bay pressure. Using these 2 extremes, There is a 65% Radiator flow and 45% Engine Bay pressure difference. This is only in 92 test runs and 7 cars. How big would it be with more runs and more models? This is where companies spend big money to make these claims. If you go to someplace simple like K&N, they show an exact claim (like Race Louvers does) however, they put the exact make and model on each dyno sheet and they do it for every variation of product (filter, intake, cold air, etc). Race louvers appears to have chosen one data point and applied it to every level of that product in every application.

To be most effective all 3 louvers must be used, thus the creation of the 2013 and the 2010-12 SHO kits. The area of all 3 vents between both years is sufficient in flowing the amount of air coming through the Taurus front bumper.

 

[High on Ethanol]

I think the main hesitation with this product/presentation is the number/percentage claims. I do think there is a benefit to this product. Is it as much as claimed? Maybe, Maybe not. The problem is even pointed out in their own literature. They state that the vents need to be between perpendicular and 15 degrees. Vehicles all have different hood slopes and yet going by part numbers, it looks like they have a dozen vents in 3-4 levels (NASA, RS, RT and RX). A flat truck/SUV hood is going to place these vents at a very different angle than a sports car. Then if you start looking at percentage claims, they are all the exact same based on level. To make it simple, look at the Taurus in the RS level. They have 10-12 center and side or a 13-19 center and side. The 10-12 center vent has an areas of 126.5 sq in and the 13-19 center has an area of 230 sq in. The 10-12 side has an area of 115.5 sq in and the 13-19 has an area of 82.5 sq in. Yet in the description all 4 of these (with vastly different placement and area) all claim 203% more downforce and 154% more cooling than the competition. These numbers don't change based on application or size. The only way I see a change is by changing level. I don't blame you for this, you can only relay what is presented by the manufacturer. However, in this industry, when numbers start getting thrown around, people like to see proof behind those numbers. Just like the eBay "chip" can give you 15% more power for every application, people get hesitant when they see the exact same performance claims for every application and every size. If you look at their verification test document, they clearly mention that vehicles will yield various results based on engine configuration, equipment placement under the hood, etc. The '93 Mustang had 46% increase in Radiator flow and 29% decrease in Engine Bay pressure. On the opposite end, the 2015 Mustang had 19% less Radiator flow and 16% higher Engine Bay pressure. Using these 2 extremes, There is a 65% Radiator flow and 45% Engine Bay pressure difference. This is only in 92 test runs and 7 cars. How big would it be with more runs and more models? This is where companies spend big money to make these claims. If you go to someplace simple like K&N, they show an exact claim (like Race Louvers does) however, they put the exact make and model on each dyno sheet and they do it for every variation of product (filter, intake, cold air, etc). Race louvers appears to have chosen one data point and applied it to every level of that product in every application.

Yep, that's very well said.

 

[FiveLeeter918]

Not sure how practical it'll be for a daily driven car in various climates, but great idea.

Are the fins pre-bent for each design application and variance, or is that up to the consumer to fine tune?

Any "tissue paper" tests before/after modification to show the wind tunnel effects on the SHO specifically?

Also curious how this affects IATs by helping the engine bay heat escape quicker. Any new datalogs showing the IAT sustain/drop with the modifications? Back when I did a lost of SCCA racing and needed to hot lap we would apply a 1" spacer to the back of the hood to raise it above the cowl and allow for heat dissipation, but we never went over 60mph with it either.

 

[aaron240]

Not sure how practical it'll be for a daily driven car in various climates, but great idea.

Are the fins pre-bent for each design application and variance, or is that up to the consumer to fine tune?

Any "tissue paper" tests before/after modification to show the wind tunnel effects on the SHO specifically?

Also curious how this affects IATs by helping the engine bay heat escape quicker. Any new datalogs showing the IAT sustain/drop with the modifications? Back when I did a lost of SCCA racing and needed to hot lap we would apply a 1" spacer to the back of the hood to raise it above the cowl and allow for heat dissipation, but we never went over 60mph with it either.

I will have datalogs available soon as time permits.

The louvers are not located over electrical components and the engine cover and airbox cover protect those locations.

The fins all have the most optimal angle of attack pre-set and should not be bent at all by the customer.

 

[High on Ethanol]

I will have datalogs available soon as time permits.

The louvers are not located over electrical components and the engine cover and airbox cover protect those locations.

The fins all have the most optimal angle of attack pre-set and should not be bent at all by the customer.

Optimal angle for a stock SHO? Lowered? Raked? Weight reduction? Hmmm.... Maybe?

 

[Ta2dResqr]

To be most effective all 3 louvers must be used, thus the creation of the 2013 and the 2010-12 SHO kits. The area of all 3 vents between both years is sufficient in flowing the amount of air coming through the Taurus front bumper.

Wait, if I use all 3 does that mean I will get greater than 203% downforce and 154% cooling compared to the competition? I mean I can spend half as much and just get the center or the sides and they already claim 203% and 154%. So what does all three get me for increases?

The fins all have the most optimal angle of attack pre-set and should not be bent at all by the customer.

Optimal angle for what application? That was my point above. They offer the exact same part number for Universal, 13-19 SHO, 15-17 Mustang, 87-93 Mustang, 04-05 Impreza, etc. All of these hoods will be at different angles and result in different angles for the fins. This will create different results on cooling and downforce.

The louvers are not located over electrical components and the engine cover and airbox cover protect those locations.

The driver side louver is not located over the air box (often an open element on modified cars)? It is not over the battery? The center louver is not over tons of stuff? The center cover is often removed on modified cars to fit HPFP, Meth, NOS, aid in cooling, etc?

I really am not trying to shit on the work you have done with this. However, the use of a Universal part and Universal test results being presented as a wind tunnel tested, application specific, results really does put it in the category of many Snake Oil products. It would go over a lot better presented as a universal option with words like "up to" or "depending on application". Maybe some flow graphs with vehicle year, make, model, modifications, etc listed. The only thing they have done is taken some measurements from you, looked at their supply of universal parts and said that these numbers will fit in the area you have measured for them. I would venture to say they have never seen this product on a SHO in person let alone done any testing on it.

 

[yaycandy]

Finally got some of the data pages together for this platform. Using MicroCFD that Race Louvers also uses for comparing data to stock car data.
This is taurus specific data.
The pictures don't upload to the quality I needed them to so I made them a tad bit smaller, MB wise.

Also found that they throw around the term "competitor" a lot, they test some of their race proven products vs competitors but for this platform the competitor is used as a term for the OEM hood. The data really only makes sense vs the OEM hood.

I'll post the big 3 as others just mostly won't affect this platform unless you wanna take the car down "The Corkscrew" at race speed.

Downforce in lbs
Drag in lbs
Power in HP

This platform only cares about the 1/4 mile so let's look at the 120mph testing.

Downforce is increased 20-90lbs over stock hood.


Drag is slightly increased as the custom front few louvers are at a specific trim angle, by itself it's a slower 1/4 mile time but in this case it's added with increase downforce.



In the general case of adding downforce, you are going to lose hp as you have increased pressure pushing the front of the car down. With just the hood louvers you are gaining a few as it's easier for the engine to push the car through the air. With a fully shielded off front end you will lose usable engine power because you are shoving more pressure away from the car as you are moving. If the car was a bullet shape, this would be different.
On a dyno there is no difference in power




There is obvious heat extraction from large open vents above the engine bay. Heat extraction is negatively affective while driving if you remove the bottom shielding.

Still waiting to hear back on iat2 temp differences as those should be positively affected. Even more so with a phenolic spacer, wrapped coolant pipe, etc.


The design differences in 10-12 and 13 plus sho is about equal as they are different sizes but all 3 together still equally the same and in equally affective places. The 10-12 hood, as it don't look much different from the 2013 hood. It shows a huge difference on Autodesk Flow Design compared to a 13+ hood.

I will have out data for the fender louvers once I get them and install them, Thanks Andrew.

 

[stripSHO]

Wait, if I use all 3 does that mean I will get greater than 203% downforce and 154% cooling compared to the competition? I mean I can spend half as much and just get the center or the sides and they already claim 203% and 154%. So what does all three get me for increases?

I think it pretty obvious (but that's just me) that the comparisons are relative to the gains of competing products of equal area, not absolute gains for the vehicle. I.E. if the competitions' product creates 10 lbs of downforce, these produce 30.3 lbs of downforce. If the competitions' product extracts x cfm from under the hood, these extract 2.54x cfm. You can't seriously think they're claiming that these triple the overall downforce of the hood

Optimal angle for what application? That was my point above. They offer the exact same part number for Universal, 13-19 SHO, 15-17 Mustang, 87-93 Mustang, 04-05 Impreza, etc. All of these hoods will be at different angles and result in different angles for the fins. This will create different results on cooling and downforce.

First, you're wrong and you really need to google "Coanda Effect". Hood angle has little or nothing to do with the louvers' angle of attack in the airstream. Second, I just ran out and measured my hood angle, came up with about 10 degrees. Also measured the hood angle on my Transit van which, I would say is FAR more aggressively sloped than any normal passenger car, and got 20 degrees. I think you'll have a really hard time finding a hood that doesn't fit within their 0 to 15 degree recommendation and even then I doubt the performance would deviate substantially enough to matter.

The driver side louver is not located over the air box (often an open element on modified cars)? It is not over the battery? The center louver is not over tons of stuff? The center cover is often removed on modified cars to fit HPFP, Meth, NOS, aid in cooling, etc?

This is race car stuff. Race cars don't sit out in bad weather. If someone wants to install these in their daily driver that spends its entire life exposed to the elements then that's the owner's problem to figure out and deal with. Magnetic covers seem like a possible solution. Maybe @aaron240 could design good looking magnetic "parking" covers to fit over these as optional equipment. But of course every **** sucker in this forum would probably find a reason to rip him apart over those too.

I really am not trying to shit on the work you have done with this. However, the use of a Universal part and Universal test results being presented as a wind tunnel tested, application specific, results really does put it in the category of many Snake Oil products. It would go over a lot better presented as a universal option with words like "up to" or "depending on application". Maybe some flow graphs with vehicle year, make, model, modifications, etc listed. The only thing they have done is taken some measurements from you, looked at their supply of universal parts and said that these numbers will fit in the area you have measured for them. I would venture to say they have never seen this product on a SHO in person let alone done any testing on it.

Nitrous is a universal part. Nitrous Express, NOS et al definitely haven't tested their systems in nearly as many vehicles that their products are applied to. By your logic, nitrous is snake oil until it's been fitted to every car in the world and put on a dyno. Chemistry and physics be damned! lol Just because you don't grasp the basic fundamentals of aerodynamics doesn't mean that race louvers is lying or misleading you.

 

[aaron240]

I think it pretty obvious (but that's just me) that the comparisons are relative to the gains of competing products of equal area, not absolute gains for the vehicle. I.E. if the competitions' product creates 10 lbs of downforce, these produce 30.3 lbs of downforce. If the competitions' product extracts x cfm from under the hood, these extract 2.54x cfm. You can't seriously think they're claiming that these triple the overall downforce of the hood




First, you're wrong and you really need to google "Coanda Effect". Hood angle has little or nothing to do with the louvers' angle of attack in the airstream. Second, I just ran out and measured my hood angle, came up with about 10 degrees. Also measured the hood angle on my Transit van which, I would say is FAR more aggressively sloped than any normal passenger car, and got 20 degrees. I think you'll have a really hard time finding a hood that doesn't fit within their 0 to 15 degree recommendation and even then I doubt the performance would deviate substantially enough to matter.



This is race car stuff. Race cars don't sit out in bad weather. If someone wants to install these in their daily driver that spends its entire life exposed to the elements then that's the owner's problem to figure out and deal with. Magnetic covers seem like a possible solution. Maybe @aaron240 could design good looking magnetic "parking" covers to fit over these as optional equipment. But of course every **** sucker in this forum would probably find a reason to rip him apart over those too.


Nitrous is a universal part. Nitrous Express, NOS et al definitely haven't tested their systems in nearly as many vehicles that their products are applied to. By your logic, nitrous is snake oil until it's been fitted to every car in the world and put on a dyno. Chemistry and physics be damned! lol Just because you don't grasp the basic fundamentals of aerodynamics doesn't mean that race louvers is lying or misleading you.

Thank you stripsho for your feedback and support. Simply trying to develop and push product development for the platform so that new options that improved performance are available for the community to benefit from.

 

[802SHO]

Welp I bought the hood vents and 3x16” fender vents. My car doesn’t see snow and now it doesn’t see rain....just one more excuse to keep it pristine. I wanted vents to allow the car to stay cool and with my open grille, help expel trapped air traveling down the track. I didn’t really need fender vents but they look pretty gnarly..

All I know, is in my personal opinion the vents look cool, and I know for sure they’ll extract heat. Anything else perhaps is a bonus....don’t really know. I’m not testing this or that, I don’t have the time or the patience. I’m going to throw all my new shiny parts at it at once and whatever it is, it will be. And then I’ll test it....

There’s so many things that we don’t know for sure....don’t know exactly....but we do them anyway bc we know...to some extent...it can only help. Somethings we do and we really have no clue but we roll the dice bc it looks cool....some we know won’t help at all but we still do it.

I’m not teaming up with Aaron, picking sides or whatever it may seam.....just thinking some of our collective logic could dismiss and dispute nearly all of our mods for our cars that we currently have. I know Aaron got some of us riled up making it sound like he personally developed these parts....but let’s just check them out and pause, move on, or purchase them. Group hug.

I love you guys.

 

[Ta2dResqr]

I think it pretty obvious (but that's just me) that the comparisons are relative to the gains of competing products of equal area, not absolute gains for the vehicle. I.E. if the competitions' product creates 10 lbs of downforce, these produce 30.3 lbs of downforce. If the competitions' product extracts x cfm from under the hood, these extract 2.54x cfm. You can't seriously think they're claiming that these triple the overall downforce of the hood

I do think they are comparing to competing products and not overall. However, if a product is offered with X% better and every single model of that product has the exact same X% it begs why use different models. You can't tell me they have a competitor that made the exact same size of every model and they simply changed vent angle or added the front lips and got the exact same percent better on every application.

First, you're wrong and you really need to google "Coanda Effect". Hood angle has little or nothing to do with the louvers' angle of attack in the airstream. Second, I just ran out and measured my hood angle, came up with about 10 degrees. Also measured the hood angle on my Transit van which, I would say is FAR more aggressively sloped than any normal passenger car, and got 20 degrees. I think you'll have a really hard time finding a hood that doesn't fit within their 0 to 15 degree recommendation and even then I doubt the performance would deviate substantially enough to matter.

These vents are visibly not at 0* so, let's for argument sake say they are at 3*. Mount them to you 10* hood. Now they are at -7*. Outside of their self prescribed 0-15*. Now mount them on your 20* hood. They are now at -17*. Much further out of this 0-15* angle. If it doesn't have enough difference to matter, why do they market this as one of the reasons their product is so much better?

This is race car stuff. Race cars don't sit out in bad weather. If someone wants to install these in their daily driver that spends its entire life exposed to the elements then that's the owner's problem to figure out and deal with. Magnetic covers seem like a possible solution. Maybe @aaron240 could design good looking magnetic "parking" covers to fit over these as optional equipment. But of course every **** sucker in this forum would probably find a reason to rip him apart over those too.

RS STREET Trim - The RS trim sports a low profile wicker and is designed for high performance STREET cars. RT Track is for track cars and RX Extreme are for serious race cars. Seems to me like many "high performance street cars" are daily drivers and sit outside. In fact many people commented on the fact that they live in bad weather areas and this was a concern. They were being reassured that "The louvers are not located over electrical components and the engine cover and airbox cover protect those locations.". That is the exact comment and context this was in response to.

Nitrous is a universal part. Nitrous Express, NOS et al definitely haven't tested their systems in nearly as many vehicles that their products are applied to. By your logic, nitrous is snake oil until it's been fitted to every car in the world and put on a dyno. Chemistry and physics be damned! lol Just because you don't grasp the basic fundamentals of aerodynamics doesn't mean that race louvers is lying or misleading you.

As I am sure you are aware, when you go to NOS they have a universal section. You can buy a universal kit with 1 part number. Now if you go into the 2015 Mustang section, they will have a different kit with a different part number. Even if these are both 100hp wet kits. Why? Because it is an actual application specific product designed with brackets, mounts, etc specifically for that application. They claim a X-Y hp gain depending on the jet used. They do not sell you a universal part that is the exact same part number and state that it will give you a 50% improvement. A 50hp jet will give you a much higher % increase on a Honda Civic vs a Hellcat. The Snake Oil comment is in reference to the hard percentage claims and the fact it is for every application, and every size of Race Louver. How can a 230 sq in center vent give the same % increase as a 165 sq in side vent? (Yes this is comparing the same application, as listed by them.) Instead of using NOS, you should be comparing this to something like an eBay race chip. This is much more comparable. It is a product you can buy as universal or application specific, same part number and will get you the exact same claimed gains no matter if you put it in your Prius or your LSx.

 

[High on Ethanol]

I do think they are comparing to competing products and not overall. However, if a product is offered with X% better and every single model of that product has the exact same X% it begs why use different models. You can't tell me they have a competitor that made the exact same size of every model and they simply changed vent angle or added the front lips and got the exact same percent better on every application.




These vents are visibly not at 0* so, let's for argument sake say they are at 3*. Mount them to you 10* hood. Now they are at -7*. Outside of their self prescribed 0-15*. Now mount them on your 20* hood. They are now at -17*. Much further out of this 0-15* angle. If it doesn't have enough difference to matter, why do they market this as one of the reasons their product is so much better?




RS STREET Trim - The RS trim sports a low profile wicker and is designed for high performance STREET cars. RT Track is for track cars and RX Extreme are for serious race cars. Seems to me like many "high performance street cars" are daily drivers and sit outside. In fact many people commented on the fact that they live in bad weather areas and this was a concern. They were being reassured that "The louvers are not located over electrical components and the engine cover and airbox cover protect those locations.". That is the exact comment and context this was in response to.



As I am sure you are aware, when you go to NOS they have a universal section. You can buy a universal kit with 1 part number. Now if you go into the 2015 Mustang section, they will have a different kit with a different part number. Even if these are both 100hp wet kits. Why? Because it is an actual application specific product designed with brackets, mounts, etc specifically for that application. They claim a X-Y hp gain depending on the jet used. They do not sell you a universal part that is the exact same part number and state that it will give you a 50% improvement. A 50hp jet will give you a much higher % increase on a Honda Civic vs a Hellcat. The Snake Oil comment is in reference to the hard percentage claims and the fact it is for every application, and every size of Race Louver. How can a 230 sq in center vent give the same % increase as a 165 sq in side vent? (Yes this is comparing the same application, as listed by them.) Instead of using NOS, you should be comparing this to something like an eBay race chip. This is much more comparable. It is a product you can buy as universal or application specific, same part number and will get you the exact same claimed gains no matter if you put it in your Prius or your LSx.

I'm in 100percent agreement. I'm thinking about universal part claims and I always am reminded of the MPG claims of the intake vortex systems lol