ATP Turbo upgrade help

[mattr66]

And your datalog was looking at IAT2 not the outlet of the intercooler taken at the temp sensor. IAT2 has 99% to do with the intake manifold's heat soak from the engine and very little to do with the temperature coming out of the intercooler until you are at at least half throttle or so and some time has passed. You were comparing temps at the beginning of the run to which I simply said that it isn't a good comparsion for that reason.

 

[StealBlueSho]

That sounds really good. Don't talk to me about what you think. If you don't know then say so. You DONT KNOW that my ported GH Turbos are less powerful than your extrude honed ones. Like the CNC heads you tried to copy based solely off a picture and caused a customer to lose 80 hp. So there's a massive discrepancy between what you think and what is in fact what. For you to in fact know you would need my turbos to prove it. Not solely your educated opinion. And I'm comparing 19 psi with unported GH Turbos and stock 2010 manifolds to 16 psi ported GH Turbos and 14 ported exhaust manifolds. I increased the turbine? You know for a fact I hurt gasket retention....how could you? You don't bc you didn't inspect them when they were completed. You're just assuming. Making comments based off something you've heard before. So now you work directly with Ford?

Don't act like youre the end all, be all on everything good and everything worth it or not. For the blind...yeah you can lead them. But not someone like me with their eyes open.

I love the products you make. On a personal note, not so much.

Like pretending you can't read a datalog when I shared my 36 hour front mount to your 2 years in development direct fit IC. Meth throws a wrench the data...not really...not before WOT...and certainly not when meth was used in both tests. Another thing...you're a tuner. You made it sound like it would be hard to know how to read a data log with meth being sprayed....frightening for all your meth tuned customers.

Who ported their heads based on Gearheads opinion? I have never heard of this? Reason I am asking is BPD1151 is doing the same thing and Jordan made a statement that he was gonna loose a bunch of power? I was unaware someone had done it?

 

[SM105K]

And your datalog was looking at IAT2 not the outlet of the intercooler taken at the temp sensor. IAT2 has 99% to do with the intake manifold's heat soak from the engine and very little to do with the temperature coming out of the intercooler until you are at at least half throttle or so and some time has passed. You were comparing temps at the beginning of the run to which I simply said that it isn't a good comparsion for that reason.

Not jumping on anyone here (except LMS eff them) how is not comparing IAT2 a good comparison? Isn't that the important number? Or would the CAC cooler temp be better for comparing IC cooling performance?

If either IC works better, but the IAT2's are the same then what?

Not asking for a friend.

 

[mattr66]

Not jumping on anyone here (except LMS eff them) how is not comparing IAT2 a good comparison? Isn't that the important number? Or would the CAC cooler temp be better for comparing IC cooling performance?

If either IC works better, but the IAT2's are the same then what?

Not asking for a friend.

IAT2 is what the engine sees, that's why I've always used it because that's where the power is. The buildup of heat at IAT2 when driving at part throttle is almost solely to blame on the heat soak from the manifold itself. Comparing intercooler outlet temp (measured at the tip sensor) would have been a better comparison because it takes the engine heat soak out of the equation. I also mentioned the meth in there too because meth and water can act differently when presented with different heat levels in front of them when you are measuring IAT2 which again is after the meth injection point.

 

[Jordan_R]

Who ported their heads based on Gearheads opinion? I have never heard of this? Reason I am asking is BPD1151 is doing the same thing and Jordan made a statement that he was gonna loose a bunch of power? I was unaware someone had done it?

I'm gonna need a direct quote

 

[StealBlueSho]

I'm gonna need a direct quote

Yea, it’s in this thread somewhere I believe you talked about porting not adding any HP... it was on Facebook about a year ago....

 

[stripSHO]

Yea, it’s in this thread somewhere I believe you talked about porting not adding any HP... it was on Facebook about a year ago....

I mean, only having the information as presented by Mike I too have major doubts in the head work he got. Just about but I’m not connecting the dots on what GH has to do with that. Just my personal interpretation of limited data and my own perception of the machinist chasing meaningless bench flows at lifts the valves will never reach at the expense of the numbers that actually do matter. But I just keep my mouth shut because I don’t actually know what I’m talking about and I want to see success.

 

[StealBlueSho]

I mean, only having the information as presented by Mike I too have major doubts in the head work he got. Just about but I’m not connecting the dots on what GH has to do with that. Just my personal interpretation of limited data and my own perception of the machinist chasing meaningless bench flows at lifts the valves will never reach at the expense of the numbers that actually do matter. But I just keep my mouth shut because I don’t actually know what I’m talking about and I want to see success.

We will see what happens with Mikes car. I was trying to figure out where the 80hp loss was coming from as there is only one guy I know who might have ported the heads at this point and dyno’d his car. That would be Ryan Spencer who is doing some cool stuff.

Again... not sure where GH comes into this...

I tagged Jordan because he had mentioned on a Facebook post where porting the heads will loose power... trying to figure out who did it, and what happened..

 

[GotGrip?]

Not jumping on anyone here (except LMS eff them) .

lol I always love your posts.

 

[stripSHO]

A bad port job can easily lose power. But 80 hp? I dunno, man, seems pretty hard to believe. I’m all for hearing the story though!

 

[Jordan_R]

Yea, it’s in this thread somewhere I believe you talked about porting not adding any HP... it was on Facebook about a year ago....

Would be cool if you could find a direct quote so I can make some sense into it. Not sure where this oddly saved screenshot comes into play.

We will see what happens with Mikes car. I was trying to figure out where the 80hp loss was coming from as there is only one guy I know who might have ported the heads at this point and dyno’d his car. That would be Ryan Spencer who is doing some cool stuff.

Again... not sure where GH comes into this...

I tagged Jordan because he had mentioned on a Facebook post where porting the heads will loose power... trying to figure out who did it, and what happened..

Otherwise just seems like a very ****** misquote because some information about what I said seems to be not there. If you are going to say I said something then quote it directly.

 

[StealBlueSho]

I am sure once the actual quote is shown I can make sense of what I said because I don't think I would say a proper port job would lose power, but I could see myself saying it isn't worth while.

Ok bud, you are acting like I am calling you out on something... it was more along the the lines of I remember you saying something about porting loosing power.. I posted a quote from the thread where you mentioned it hoping to maybe jog your memory...I know you and Andrew are buddies... so if you knew someone who did port and lose power you might be willing to share...

I know the Facebook group you started caters to the top 1% of guys looking for every tenth in the 1/4... figured you might know who.. Lmao...

 

[mattr66]

I'm waiting for this connection to head porting as well.... I had someone else say something from 2017 was going to ruin my credibility and i'm still waiting on that one....

 

[Jordan_R]

Ok bud, you are acting like I am calling you out on something... it was more along the the lines of I remember you saying something about porting loosing power.. I know you and Andrew are buddies... so if you knew someone who did port and lose power you might be willing to share...

I know the Facebook group you started caters to the top 1% of guys looking for every tenth in the 1/4... figured you might know who.. Lmao...

First off, I don't own any SHO facebook groups and never made/started one. If you are talking about SHO Ecoboost Owners where you have joined and left a couple times then you are mistaken once again. Yes, Andrew and I are buddies. I can't read his mind and he can surely act on his own accord. No clue who he is talking about.

I am just saying if you are going to say I said something then show I said it. That's all there is to it. A lot of misinformation comes from people "repeating" what they "think" I said/done. That's it.

 

[StealBlueSho]

First off, I don't own any SHO facebook groups and never made/started one. If you are talking about SHO Ecoboost Owners where you have joined and left a couple times then you are mistaken once again. Yes, Andrew and I are buddies. I can't read his mind and he can surely act on his own accord. No clue who he is talking about.

I am just saying if you are going to say I said something then show I said it. That's all there is to it. A lot of misinformation comes from people "repeating" what they "think" I said/done. That's it.

Good deal, glad you took the time to straighten that out. Don’t want any misinformation going around. That would be a horrible thing to do.

However, back to the point, who ported their heads and lost 80hp??

 

[GotGrip?]

Good deal, glad you took the time to straighten that out. Don’t want any misinformation going around. That would be a horrible thing to do.

However, back to the point, who ported their heads and lost 80hp??

Or back to the older point, How about the ATP Turbos?

 

[mattr66]

Or back to the older point, How about the ATP Turbos?

They can make 600 whp....

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[High on Ethanol]

Roflmao wow people are so damn sensitive these days!

If porting ecoboost heads/intake/exhaust was really worth it......there were would be equal or better aftermarket parts being sold at every major tuner website.

Personally I just like to watch people do things good, bad, total train wreck, idc. It doesn't cost me anything to sideline it.

I've seen and heard nothing but outstanding things from Matt/gearhead and I can say they do the R&D and it shows.

That being said, get some dynos of ported vs nonported and let's see some damn results. I'm sick of the it should perform better based on flow data....blah blah blah.

Fackin SEND IT!!!!!!

 

[802SHO]

To clear some things up, the head was for a customer (not ecoboost) and I dont know if it was true or not. I felt like Matt was making comments without even looking at the data closely to cast doubt that my IC might not work that well and then here saying he's not sure porting does anything. So I decided like a child to throw shade his way and regurgitated what I heard about a mistake he possibly made about trying to copy a head without bench testing and from only going off a picture, not of any Ecoboost platform. He doesn't just do ecoboost.

I talked to Matt for some time last night, I admitted I didn't know specifics about the head in question or if it's even true. But Matt talked with me for over an hour and did review my tune. Said everything looks good. The whole reason to compare IC was bc I already had his but wanted to change it to the front...so I was able to change the look and not sacrifice any performance. And porting solely the turbos would be imho not worth it....it was the other way around....porting and going with the better flowing manifolds made sense to port match the turbos.

Matt doesnt owe me anything, but took time out of his day to talk with me. He tried to help me learn more about what I see in the logs. This changed the way I think about him on a personal note. And sorry to Matt for intentionally spreading a rumor without knowing specifics or if it was even true. Im not perfect, I try to do what I think is right but I overreacted and crossed a line. So I'd like to admit that, apologize and move on.

Sorry to the OP for screwing up this thread.

 

[SM105K]

Well said Andrew.