What do I have to do to get into 11's

[Big Mike 74]

I have a 2013 v10 tune plugs 3 bar and T stat and downpipes and I was wondering what I can do to lower it into the 11's and do I necessarily need meth.....I notice this car is strong from a dig but.....from rolls could use help, I also have a stock 2004 mustang Mach 1 5 speed and I had my friend drive my Sho from a 30 roll and from a 50 roll and I was neck and neck with him until about 95-100 now my mach 1 is stock 315-320hp and the SHO has all that stuff done to it.....what gives? I was kind of upset...I wanna get the Sho where it will easily pull from rolls with its opponents

 

[bpd1151]

The 11's have proven VERY ELUSIVE for the SHO Ecoboost platform.

It takes a lot to get there.

In fact, besides me, I am only aware of 4 others that have broken into that barrier.

I own mine still obviously, as does Jacob out in AZ, the other three have been sold or parted out.

What one thinks on paper, or in the realm of mathematical hypotheticals, has proven time and time again to not be accurate, or applicable to this platform.

Build your motor, upgrade your turbos, consider building up Trans, then consider alternate fueling sources.

Not all in that particular order, but that would be a start. And don't forget all the remaining ancillary work along the way, suspension, exhaust, hard piping, auxiliary cooling components, wheels, tires, brakes to slow it all down.

The old adage of "gotta pay to play" still applies, and with a decreasing list of aftermarket vendors, combined with the alleged killing off of the platform after 2017, your window of opportunity is decreasing.

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[Big Mike 74]

The 11's have proven VERY ELUSIVE for the SHO Ecoboost platform.

It takes a lot to get there.

In fact, besides me, I am only aware of 4 others that have broken into that barrier.

I own mine still obviously, as does Jacob out in AZ, the other three have been sold or parted out.

What one thinks on paper, or in the realm of mathematical hypotheticals, has proven time and time again to not be accurate, or applicable to this platform.

Build your motor, upgrade your turbos, consider building up Trans, then consider alternate fueling sources.

Not all in that particular order, but that would be a start. And don't forget all the remaining ancillary work along the way, suspension, exhaust, hard piping, auxiliary cooling components, wheels, tires, brakes to slow it all down.

The old adage of "gotta pay to play" still applies, and with a decreasing list of aftermarket vendors, combined with the alleged killing off of the platform after 2017, your window of opportunity is decreasing.

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How long are they keeping these cars around is it true they are pretty much done after 2017?

 

[SHOdded]

The more weight you carry, the more power it's going to take to go faster. To get into the 11's you got to button everything down. To do it with ease, you got to do what bpd has done. Remember, he got into the 11's on street tires on the less-than-max tune file. If the drivetrain could have been upgraded at the time, he could've put on the max awhp tune file, maybe even made a run at the 10's! TQ gets you going, but HP keeps you going. HP is king at the top end.

At the very least, a suspension upgrade including lowering springs/coilovers and adjustable end links, perhaps even traction bars is needed to stop weight being transferred to the back, which parasitizes launch times and ultimately the 1/4 mile times.

Then you must add on a meth kit.

Then choose the right tire/wheel combination.

Then optimize track conditions, including maintenance. Some go as far as to change fluids out right before and right after.

One person has broken into the 11's without getting into big turbos and built block (but drag radials), but it is very very difficult. Most have gotten stuck in the low 12's.

 

[Big Mike 74]

The more weight you carry, the more power it's going to take to go faster. To get into the 11's you got to button everything down. To do it with ease, you got to do what bpd has done. Remember, he got into the 11's on street tires on the less-than-max tune file. If the drivetrain could have been upgraded at the time, he could've put on the max awhp tune file, maybe even made a run at the 10's! TQ gets you going, but HP keeps you going. HP is king at the top end.

At the very least, a suspension upgrade including lowering springs/coilovers and adjustable end links, perhaps even traction bars is needed to stop weight being transferred to the back, which parasitizes launch times and ultimately the 1/4 mile times.

Then you must add on a meth kit.

Then choose the right tire/wheel combination.

Then optimize track conditions, including maintenance. Some go as far as to change fluids out right before and right after.

One person has broken into the 11's without getting into big turbos and built block (but drag radials), but it is very very difficult. Most have gotten stuck in the low 12's.

I see....thanks for the reply.....off the line the car is quick as ****, I just wish their was a trick or tip to make it have just as strong of a pull from a roll ....like I said I raced my own in my stock 04 Mach 1 which is about 320 HP and was dead even actually had my Sho by a nose until about 100 from a 25-30 roll.....kind of bummed me out I thought my Sho would pull harder from the roll.....now off the line it was no comparison but I also raced a stock Wrx from a roll and it took me a while to pull on him and he has about 100 less HP....maybe I'm not doing something right.....

 

[brucelinc]

Mike, what kind of times are you running with what you currently have? I guess I am a little surprised that the 2004 Mach 1 pulled your SHO from a 25 MPH roll.

 

[SHOdded]

A rough but quick 0-60 calculator
http://www.060calculator.com/

1/4 mile time calculator
http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php

2004 Mach 1 specs
http://www.musclecardrive.com/ford/2004-ford-mustang-mach-1.php

Dyno of basically stock 2003 Mach 1 (2004 should be similar)
http://www.mach1registry.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=4544&title=dyno-of-my-2003-mach&cat=501

2013 Taurus SHO specs
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/taurus/2013/sho/features-specs/

 

[brucelinc]

Based on Motor Trend road tests, the 0-60 and quarter mile results for a Mach 1 was 5.3 and 13.8 @ 102.5. For a STOCK 2013 SHO, they are 5.2 and 13.7 @ 103.2.
http://www.motortrend.com/news/2003-ford-mustang-mach-1-2/
http://www.motortrend.com/news/2013-ford-taurus-sho-performance-package-first-test/

The Mustang took 8.5 seconds to go from 60 to 102.5. The STOCK SHO took the same amount of time to go from 60 to 103.2.

Different sources have different numbers for both of these vehicles.

 

[Off Road SHO]

Buy my dune buggy with the SHO motor in it, turn up the boost to 13 psi, get rid of the BFG Mud and Snow tires, turn the 30 shot back on and you'll be deep in the 11's. Oh yeah, and grow a bigger pair than I have because at the current 12.166, it's one **** of a wild ride already.

Now back to your already in progress adult conversation.

Tom

 

[rubydist]

the SHO EcoBoost is a heavy car, that is why it takes a lot of torque and hp to get to the 11s.

the information we have is that the Taurus is gone after 16 along with the MKS, but all of that is subject to change until they actually shutter the plant or change it over to another model. you may recall that it took them 3-4 years of trying to actually **** off the Ranger, so things sometimes do change.

 

[Big Mike 74]

A rough but quick 0-60 calculator
http://www.060calculator.com/

1/4 mile time calculator
http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php

2004 Mach 1 specs
http://www.musclecardrive.com/ford/2004-ford-mustang-mach-1.php

Dyno of basically stock 2003 Mach 1 (2004 should be similar)
http://www.mach1registry.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=4544&title=dyno-of-my-2003-mach&cat=501

2013 Taurus SHO specs
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/taurus/2013/sho/features-specs/

I didn't realize they were that close in times

 

[Big Mike 74]

Mike, what kind of times are you running with what you currently have? I guess I am a little surprised that the 2004 Mach 1 pulled your SHO from a 25 MPH roll.

I actually have never been to the track with either car so I'm not sure the SHO has downpipes t stat 3 bar v10 tune and the plugs and a drop in k&n.....stang has a drop in k&n filter that's it

 

[13blacksho]

I actually have never been to the track with either car so I'm not sure the SHO has downpipes t stat 3 bar v10 tune and the plugs and a drop in k&n.....stang has a drop in k&n filter that's it

Those Mach 1's are a dirty little secret!
The 2 valve 4.6 is pretty soft compared to today's power, but the 4 valve in the Mach 1 and the supercharged 4 valve in the Trrminator are great for making POWER!

 

[Butcher]

You do realize that the Mach 1 is about 1000 pounds lighter than the SHO, don't you? Try doing that test again, but this time, have 4 adult males in the Mach 1 and just the driver in the SHO. Let us know how close they are in that "test".

 

[SilverSH0]

It doesn't surprise me that it was so close from a roll. You basically chose the perfect race for the Mach 1 to win and the SHO to lose. The SHO is a HEAVY vehicle and excels from a dig due to the AWD. The Mach 1 is a 4V that breaths very well up top. It doesn't make a ton of power down low but makes up for it by breathing well in the revs. So you've taken a race where the Mach 1 is good and the SHO is bad.

I personally think you would be better off building the Mach to get into the 11's instead of the SHO. After getting past bolt-on's and meth (which looks to get into the low 12's) the SHO starts to become really expensive and gains minimal. I think low 12's for the type of car is great (4 door full sized "luxury" car). But you have to realize the show will never be a pure breed track/race car. Anything can be built fast with enough money.

If you really wanted the SHO to start excelling at roll races then I would be looking at how much weight one could pull out and start gutting the car. But I don't think I've seen anyone do that because it's not that type of car where someone wants to gut it to make it faster. People with a SHO want something quick but still a nice daily driver.

 

[brucelinc]

It is likely that your race from a roll was exactly the wrong speed for your SHO. For example, at 30 mph it probably would not kick down to 1st while 2nd would not be ideal at all. Do a roll from 15 mph and you should spank that Mustang. Based on most of the magazine road tests, the Mustang performance is similar to a stock SHO. With your mods, you should be about a second quicker in the quarter.

 

[OmaHahn]

I'm with you wanting my SHO to be a silent killer! I too get frustrated with it's limitations on power & speed AND the amount of money it takes to get there. I'm pretty much done moddin' my car at this point and will sell her in a year or 2 and get a 2014 (C7 Gen) Audi S6 that will do what you and I want without any mods for same price or even cheaper. Just an APR tune and you're low 11's. I'm subscribed and can't wait to see what you do!

 

[SHO me the MONEY]

I see....thanks for the reply.....off the line the car is quick as ****, I just wish their was a trick or tip to make it have just as strong of a pull from a roll ....like I said I raced my own in my stock 04 Mach 1 which is about 320 HP and was dead even actually had my Sho by a nose until about 100 from a 25-30 roll.....kind of bummed me out I thought my Sho would pull harder from the roll.....now off the line it was no comparison but I also raced a stock Wrx from a roll and it took me a while to pull on him and he has about 100 less HP....maybe I'm not doing something right.....

Have to realize that WRX is moving at least 7-800#'s less.

 

[yo tony]

Have to realize that WRX is moving at least 7-800#'s less.

WRx had. To be either an sti or not atock. Even then they should not have beaten u. I've seen plenty of stock Mach 1 run low 13 between 104-106. With a tune and dps should be 105-110 mph car so that one is not a shocker. Race from 20 that's keep u in first.