Shelby Cobra GT500

[thebigjimsho]

Food for thought. Drivers being equal the GT500 can win some road course events.

The ZL1 will never win a drag race.

Really? Have you read the EcoBoost Flex thread?

 

[thebigjimsho]

I don't think I'd complain one bit if given the keys to either with the express conditions it be driven like I stole it.

nope, not one little bit.

well maybe except a little about the visability out of the back of the camaro. other than that, I do believe my big fat lily white ass would be thouroughly enjoying myself beating the **** out of either car.

however, if I had to lay down my own hard earned money on either, I'd pick the Cobra.

Good to see someone with good reason here. I'm not saying don't pick the GT500 over the ZL1, just don't be ignorant about it...

 

[black99lightnin]

Really? Have you read the EcoBoost Flex thread?

Really? Did you not see where I typed "equal drivers".

Did you ever watch the vid of Revanracing vs. Torq on the road course at Homestead? Stock GT500 vs 550rwhp ZL1(not stock). The GT500 caught and passed the ZL1. Both drivers are supposed to be very good road course guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVTU5r5sK9E


Have you watched the dragrace between Lethal and Torque, where lethal DRUG the ZL1 down the track?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fgd9YB6L9I&list=UU64RhSI9CaPrJPr4iWUeayw&index=2&feature=plcp

Have you seen the vid of the Boss dragging the ZL1 from a roll?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=169JFXbccBs

But the ZL1 is comfy.....:wave: So is my GTO, and slow just like the ZL1.:swing:

 

[black99lightnin]

Good to see someone with good reason here. I'm not saying don't pick the GT500 over the ZL1, just don't be ignorant about it...

I don't think anyone has dismissed the ZL1 as being a truly great handling car. I think you have dismissed the GT500 as being one bad ***** when it comes to laying power to the ground. It traps on average 7-10 mph more, and a roll race is joke. The GT500 is a lion, the ZL1 a domesticated shorthair.

 

[thePUNISHER]

I don't think anyone has dismissed the ZL1 as being a truly great handling car. I think you have dismissed the GT500 as being one bad ***** when it comes to laying power to the ground. It traps on average 7-10 mph more, and a roll race is joke. The GT500 is a lion, the ZL1 a domesticated shorthair.

I have to say i agree 1000% with every one of your posts in this thread thus far......right out of my mouth!

 

[thebigjimsho]

I don't think anyone has dismissed the ZL1 as being a truly great handling car. I think you have dismissed the GT500 as being one bad ***** when it comes to laying power to the ground. It traps on average 7-10 mph more, and a roll race is joke. The GT500 is a lion, the ZL1 a domesticated shorthair.

And repeated runner-up in the car rags...


Hey, I've always said I'd rather have a Boss 302 over a Camaro SS. And I assumed the GT500 would make the ZL1 moot. That is not the case.

 

[DrivinhardLLC]

Hey, I've always said I'd rather have a Boss 302 over a Camaro SS.

The perfect ponycar right now is a Boss 302 with an LS3

 

[SHOspazz92]

Considering no one in here has driven both of these cars back to back to formulate a their own opinion, your all a bunch of shit heads.

-Sam

 

[black99lightnin]

The perfect ponycar right now is a Boss 302 with an LS3

Why? The roadrunner makes 18 more hp, and the coyote makes 6 less. The new 5.0 is no joke. Look for it as the motor in the next gen GT500, as it is already powering the 2013 Cobra Jets. Besides, tune/intake/dr automatic GT's are running 11.8-12.0 @ 115-118, no LS3 Camaro is close to those numbers with that little of mods.

 

[black99lightnin]

And repeated runner-up in the car rags...


Hey, I've always said I'd rather have a Boss 302 over a Camaro SS. And I assumed the GT500 would make the ZL1 moot. That is not the case.

The standard GT already makes the SS it's *****. The Boss is for taking down M3's on a road course, with a model T rear end.

 

[black99lightnin]

http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...-about-atco-13-zl1-showdown.html#post12003051

Being discussed on SVTP currently. Stock 2013 GT500 vs. stock 2012 ZL1. Best of three. Appears that only 2 races were needed, and according to yellowbullet, best trap on the GT500 was 124, 113 for the ZL1. Awaiting vids as I'm sure they will surface. Judging by the traps the race couldn't have been close, unless the GT500 gave the camaro a couple of Mississippi's?:laugh_ti:

 

[DrivinhardLLC]

Why? The roadrunner makes 18 more hp, and the coyote makes 6 less. The new 5.0 is no joke. Look for it as the motor in the next gen GT500, as it is already powering the 2013 Cobra Jets. Besides, tune/intake/dr automatic GT's are running 11.8-12.0 @ 115-118, no LS3 Camaro is close to those numbers with that little of mods.

The camaro is dragging around a lot more weight as well.

The LS3 is lighter, has a lower center of gravity, is physically smaller (but displaces more), and uses probably 1/2 the individual parts of the coyote (maybe more). It's cheaper and the LS3 heads are among the best for any production engine, the LS3 responds to bolt ons and a cam better than virtually any LS engine to date (if you are into modifying/tweaking).

The coyote is much improved over the previous mod motors, but the bore spacing dimension (left over from the mod motor lincoln town car days!) still sucks

 

[thebigjimsho]

http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...-about-atco-13-zl1-showdown.html#post12003051

Being discussed on SVTP currently. Stock 2013 GT500 vs. stock 2012 ZL1. Best of three. Appears that only 2 races were needed, and according to yellowbullet, best trap on the GT500 was 124, 113 for the ZL1. Awaiting vids as I'm sure they will surface. Judging by the traps the race couldn't have been close, unless the GT500 gave the camaro a couple of Mississippi's?:laugh_ti:

Sure. 113 for the ZL1. I'm sure they were trying to be even...

 

[thebigjimsho]

The standard GT already makes the SS it's *****. The Boss is for taking down M3's on a road course, with a model T rear end.

Which is why I'd take the Boss. But if you're going to brag about the Boss being the better handler, then why aren't you so accepting of the ZL1 being the much better handler over the GT500?

 

[thebigjimsho]

Considering no one in here has driven both of these cars back to back to formulate a their own opinion, your all a bunch of shit heads.

-Sam

you're.

 

[wildosvt]

You definitely don't care about handling. Because that's what the drag racers all say: "Look at the g reading!"

A steady state skidpad is the solid axle's best friend. It is such a small factor in overall handling. But, go ahead and think that...

Does your Caddilac have the G meter? :swing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blq0s0hGhXA

Caddy must have fealt it was worth it to put on in the newer models?

:wave:

 

[shaker281]

The car mags have subjectively decided to emphasize ride over performance and eschewed the very numbers I posted in the chart. Must've forgot these were muscle cars, not luxobarges. Plus, the mags are courting advertising dollars, so may be slightly biased at times. There is a photo of the head of zl1 development (Al Oppenheimer) coming out of one of the mags headquarters while they were doing their testing. He was carrying knee pads and wiping his lips off. Probably just helping wash the floors and then had some Krispy Kremes.

Out of 4 road course tests, as illustrated by the chart I posted, The GT500 won 2 and tied 1, with the zl1 only winning 1 out of 4. The zl1 lost all 12 acceleration tests. Braking, slalom and skidpad were all 50/50. But, no one is disputing that MRC and IRS provide for a comfortable street experience.

 

[thebigjimsho]

The car mags have subjectively decided to emphasize ride over performance and eschewed the very numbers I posted in the chart. Must've forgot these were muscle cars, not luxobarges. Plus, the mags are courting advertising dollars, so may be slightly biased at times. There is a photo of the head of zl1 development (Al Oppenheimer) coming out of one of the mags headquarters while they were doing their testing. He was carrying knee pads and wiping his lips off. Probably just helping wash the floors and then had some Krispy Kremes.

Out of 4 road course tests, as illustrated by the chart I posted, The GT500 won 2 and tied 1, with the zl1 only winning 1 out of 4. The zl1 lost all 12 acceleration tests. Braking, slalom and skidpad were all 50/50. But, no one is disputing that MRC and IRS provide for a comfortable street experience.

Look at the Road and Track Laguna Seca results. The GT500 is faster on the straights, but every turn but 1 the ZL1 is significantly higher g readings and speeds. The ZL1 handles better.

 

[thebigjimsho]

Does your Caddilac have the G meter? :swing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blq0s0hGhXA

Caddy must have fealt it was worth it to put on in the newer models?

:wave:

Yeah, it does. So?

 

[thebigjimsho]

If you can't look at this telemetry and understand that the GT500 is clearly better in acceleration but the ZL1 is clearly better in handling, then you have issues.