Frozensvt
New Member
After spending Gobbs on money in my 03 cobra IRS, I eventually toasted it and installed a solid rear. If my 08 had IRS, would have went solid axle. Not a fan of IRS in high horsepower applications.
Shelby Cobra GT500
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I don't know... The Red Brick of Vengeance has pulled off some pretty amazing wins!! LOL!
I lined up against a Shelby KR or Super Snake... don't know which... think someone said it was a KR... beat him to the 1/8th... would have beat him to the 1/4 if I hadn't completely blown my launch! The guy was having troubles staging and distracted me... left my TC off and I ended spinning quite a bit... LOL
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Name calling? You are funny. And clueless. Heat soak is a major issue on any FI car. Particularly after modding. You are damaging your own credibility with such statements. The guy who raced the new zl1 at VIR was an experienced track enthusiast and experienced huge heat soak, pulling timing and killing power. Those are facts, not claims. There is video on youtube and his own write up on the web (Eric from Torq).
The track pack is $2500 for an awesome set of active coolers. About a grand more than the zl1's gas guzzler tax. Again, for those in the back of the class, not even necessary unless you are tracking the car regularly and pushing the limits.
The 2013 GT500 is already 700 hp stock, check out this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZBKBf8Zsjo The GT500 dynos 100 more hp at the wheels. 595/.85 = 700 crank HP. And it can handle it without other drivetrain upgrades such as halfshafts or a more robust clutch. No need to go aftermarket for 700 HP on the GT500. Additionally, the new TVS from the 2013 5.8 is available from Ford and backwards compatible to all model years GT500 for just over $2K. You'd be lucky to do a pulley upgrade to a LSA for that! But, I understand not everyone is interested in having the most powerful muscle car ever produced. Some are interested in coddling their derrieres. And relying on assertions derived from manufacturer's claims and magazine articles. But, the rubber meets the road where the real match ups occur: on the street and at the drag strip.
One more thing, GM has made it clear (in court) they have no intention to correct defects in their product line for any vehicle produced before their bankruptcy. Way to support your customer base GM!
BTW, anyone ever tell you how easy you are to goad?
The gOOb
Name calling? You are funny. And clueless. Heat soak is a major issue on any FI car. Particularly after modding. You are damaging your own credibility with such statements. The guy who raced the new zl1 at VIR was an experienced track enthusiast and experienced huge heat soak, pulling timing and killing power. Those are facts, not claims. There is video on youtube and his own write up on the web (Eric from Torq).
The track pack is $2500 for an awesome set of active coolers. About a grand more than the zl1's gas guzzler tax. Again, for those in the back of the class, not even necessary unless you are tracking the car regularly and pushing the limits.
The 2013 GT500 is already 700 hp stock, check out this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZBKBf8Zsjo The GT500 dynos 100 more hp at the wheels. 595/.85 = 700 crank HP. And it can handle it without other drivetrain upgrades such as halfshafts or a more robust clutch. No need to go aftermarket for 700 HP on the GT500. Additionally, the new TVS from the 2013 5.8 is available from Ford and backwards compatible to all model years GT500 for just over $2K. You'd be lucky to do a pulley upgrade to a LSA for that! But, I understand not everyone is interested in having the most powerful muscle car ever produced. Some are interested in coddling their derrieres. And relying on assertions derived from manufacturer's claims and magazine articles. But, the rubber meets the road where the real match ups occur: on the street and at the drag strip.
One more thing, GM has made it clear (in court) they have no intention to correct defects in their product line for any vehicle produced before their bankruptcy. Way to support your customer base GM!
BTW, anyone ever tell you how easy you are to goad?
The gOOb
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What does MRC have to do with SRA vs IRS? But, to be specific, Delphi developed MRC (Beijingwest Industries owns it now) originally in a partnership with GM research labs for GM to use in the Seville STS. I never said GM manufactured it, simply that it was available to them cheaply due to it already being designed and engineered for a similar platform.
The 2003/2004 Cobra has IRS and a lot of enthusiasts felt it added weight and was not the best choice for drag racing, which is what serious Mustang enthusiasts value. Some Cobra owners were even removing the IRS and converting to SRA. Ford could have designed it into the s197 platform, but did not due to feedback from enthusiasts. This allowed Ford to produce what their consumers wanted, less weight and less cost in a more mod friendly package. But, the world moves on and most believe IRS will be designed into the 2015 Mustang.
I drive my GT500 on real roads every day and have no problem with the ride. And the 2013 is, by all accounts, much better. Yep, IRS is a smoother ride and MRC is a neat tech. But, everything comes at a cost. An SRA is much simpler and easier to mod, plus it weighs much less. Most reviewers have commended the SRA in the GT500 as being very well sorted. And it enables the GT500 to best the zl1 on many road courses and fractionally lose on tracks that favor the zl1's higher tech arrangement. But, people buy muscle cars for bragging rights, to win drag races and be seen in. Having to rationalize that "on the right track, I might win", just doesn't cut it. After all, the zl1 barely bests the Boss LS on a track despite 140 more HP and a far more advanced suspension. A 4100 lb FI car is really not a great choice for track duty, any way you cut it.
Personally, I agree with the early magazine reviewer who called the Camaro's appearance "cartoonish". And I have never found Cadillacs appealing. I once asked my wife, who knows little about cars, if I should buy a Corvette. Her response, "You are not nearly old enough for that!"
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Any car with more than 500 hp on street tires is going to be a hand full to launch effectively. Add a nervous newbie behind the wheel and it will go up in smoke. The new 2013s have a very effective launch control and have been shown to go mid 11s on oem rubber with an average driver behind the wheel.
AWD is an awesome advantage. And kudos to you! A win is a win.
Still, numbers do not lie. A stock KR is 540 HP and 3800 lbs. Driven correctly it can go 11.9 at 120. Throw on some DRs and it will do much better. For approximately $2500 it can be upgraded to 700 HP and retain stock driveability.
thebigjimsho
LSA = YUM
Easy to goad? Who is the one writing novels here? What I find easy is agreeing with the car rags calling the ZL1 a better car and watching the fanbois go nuts.[
Name calling? You are funny. And clueless. Heat soak is a major issue on any FI car. Particularly after modding. You are damaging your own credibility with such statements. The guy who raced the new zl1 at VIR was an experienced track enthusiast and experienced huge heat soak, pulling timing and killing power. Those are facts, not claims. There is video on youtube and his own write up on the web (Eric from Torq).
The track pack is $2500 for an awesome set of active coolers. About a grand more than the zl1's gas guzzler tax. Again, for those in the back of the class, not even necessary unless you are tracking the car regularly and pushing the limits.
The 2013 GT500 is already 700 hp stock, check out this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZBKBf8Zsjo The GT500 dynos 100 more hp at the wheels. 595/.85 = 700 crank HP. And it can handle it without other drivetrain upgrades such as halfshafts or a more robust clutch. No need to go aftermarket for 700 HP on the GT500. Additionally, the new TVS from the 2013 5.8 is available from Ford and backwards compatible to all model years GT500 for just over $2K. You'd be lucky to do a pulley upgrade to a LSA for that! But, I understand not everyone is interested in having the most powerful muscle car ever produced. Some are interested in coddling their derrieres. And relying on assertions derived from manufacturer's claims and magazine articles. But, the rubber meets the road where the real match ups occur: on the street and at the drag strip.
One more thing, GM has made it clear (in court) they have no intention to correct defects in their product line for any vehicle produced before their bankruptcy. Way to support your customer base GM!
BTW, anyone ever tell you how easy you are to goad?
The gOOb
As for me, I'll pick the best car. I always easily admit I'd rather have a Boss over a Camaro SS. As an original SHO owner, I appreciate a high-revving DOHC engine and the Coyote is awesome. The Boss is also lighter and I'll take the well sorted solid axle in that application. I also thought the ZL1 would be an afterthought to the GT500 after seeing the GT500's reviews early on. So even if I'm biased to GM, I'll accept what's better as better. The fact the ZL1 repeatedly wins comparos is surprising and I've changed my mind on it. I'll always take the better handling car over the drag racer if both are in the same league...
thebigjimsho
LSA = YUM
As for heat soak, again, I drive a modded LSA. There was no loss in performance from session to session at a VERY hot VIR. My factual experiences is my credibility, not guessing from behind a keyboard. I'm running headers, a pulley, CAI and a tune. I'm at 630hp and my max boost is 10.8psi. On stock intercoolers. My supercharger is not overtaxed.
But, go ahead and assume every FI car will heat soak all the time...
But, go ahead and assume every FI car will heat soak all the time...
thebigjimsho
LSA = YUM
You definitely don't care about handling. Because that's what the drag racers all say: "Look at the g reading!"The development/design of the IRS in the D2C was done. It was $300 more to the price of the car. Mustang clubs nation wide screamed LOUD for the solid axle. And YES they wanted it!
I have a 2007 GT500 (Red/White striped) and if it had come with an IRS I promise you, If you could not swap out the IRS easily, I would NOT have bought it. It replaced a screaming yellow '04 Cobra. -End.
All of this "Oh my gawd IRS is the bomb!" crap is hilarious! The GT500 and the BOSS LS are pulling 1g+ with a model T rearend! And it is right on par with the capability of the Camaro with the "heaven sent" IRS and Magnetic shocks! Blasphemy!:laugh_ti:
A steady state skidpad is the solid axle's best friend. It is such a small factor in overall handling. But, go ahead and think that...
shobote
SHO Member
To make negative comments about a clearly superior technology like Magnaride (Ferrari also uses this) and to then tout the live axle while calling IRS overated with line after line of verbal diahrea is beyond ridiculous. Give it up as you've lost all credibiltiy on this forum. The ZL1 is not just clearly the better driving machine, it is by far according to all comparisons out there. To sacrifice drivability 99.999% of the time, for bragging rites over a 1/4 mile smooth track a few times a year, totalling about a minute, is just an indicator of how inscure a person is. If 1 out of every 1000 buyers will ever take either car to a track, that would be a surprise.
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black99lightnin
I am Legend
This. I bought my 09 new and it currently has 17K miles on it. It is my 3rd car and mainly lives in the garage, not that it rides bad but because it is a GT500. I paid $42K new and is still worth between 36-39K.
1badsho
SHO Member
lots of Gt500 OWNERS on this SHO site.
One thing I think we can all agree on ....with suspension mods .... Stage II kit .... tires .... some dress up mods ...... all that equals what I paid for my 90 SHO .... and all the new equipment I have bought for it in the past 12 mths ... GT500's arent cheap but a hoot to drive .... Have to admit I do miss it
One thing I think we can all agree on ....with suspension mods .... Stage II kit .... tires .... some dress up mods ...... all that equals what I paid for my 90 SHO .... and all the new equipment I have bought for it in the past 12 mths ... GT500's arent cheap but a hoot to drive .... Have to admit I do miss it
black99lightnin
I am Legend
Exactly. $21xx shipped. Should be going to the dyno soon and fully expect 620-630 to the rear wheels with the stock 2.71(2013 pulley), off road x pipe, CAI, and catback. Stock manifolds, no lower pulley swap, stock cams, stock fuel system. Why bother with the hassle of cam swap, when I can get a VMP 2.4" pulley, LT's, and injector upgrade and get over 700rhwp on stock pumps and cams. Docile as a stock mustang 6 banger until you hit the go pedal.
black99lightnin
I am Legend
Food for thought. Drivers being equal the GT500 can win some road course events.
The ZL1 will never win a drag race.
black99lightnin
I am Legend
To think that owners of ZL1's and GT500's won't end up on the 1/4 shows your lack of credibility. Sites like SVTP, LS1tech, etc... are FULL of threads about hp, mods, and 1/4 times. Very little about how supple the ride is, or how you can run through cones on a parking lot.
RonPorter
SHO Club of America
It would seem that by objective measures the GT500 is doing just fine. However subjective measures seems to be a different story. I prefer to deal with data and facts, personally. Also, I'd like to emphasize that I think the zl1 is a fine car. But, suggesting it bests the GT500 is a serious stretch.
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/attachments/2013-shelby-gt500-413/8323d1340805455-summary-summary.jpg
Here are some Google results of The zl1 experiencing heatsoak.
https://www.google.com/search?q=zl1+heat+soak+issues&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US
fficial&client=firefox-a
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/attachments/2013-shelby-gt500-413/8323d1340805455-summary-summary.jpg
Here are some Google results of The zl1 experiencing heatsoak.
https://www.google.com/search?q=zl1+heat+soak+issues&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US
fficial&client=firefox-a
intimdatr
Got Cams?
"Car Better for delicate Vaginas" thats great. But that Chart does a good job of just showing numbers and by the numbers the Mustang has the edge.
The real deal breaker for me would be the difference in repeatably and reliability in real life every day driving.
The real deal breaker for me would be the difference in repeatably and reliability in real life every day driving.
SHOmethewayhome
BAD ROLE MODEL
I don't think I'd complain one bit if given the keys to either with the express conditions it be driven like I stole it.
nope, not one little bit.
well maybe except a little about the visability out of the back of the camaro. other than that, I do believe my big fat lily white ass would be thouroughly enjoying myself beating the **** out of either car.
however, if I had to lay down my own hard earned money on either, I'd pick the Cobra.
nope, not one little bit.
well maybe except a little about the visability out of the back of the camaro. other than that, I do believe my big fat lily white ass would be thouroughly enjoying myself beating the **** out of either car.
however, if I had to lay down my own hard earned money on either, I'd pick the Cobra.
