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Anyone thinking about buying a wideband I recommend the LC-2 from innovative 
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shomethe$$$
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not bad seems less bulky than the PLX one, less equipment overall especially because I want to add one on each bank and then one for each cylinder, far as I know each one needs a controller but in the end buying the entire kit works out better
I've never been impressed by any of the Innovative setups, however, they do work.
As far as PLX, what's bulky? It has an incredibly thin gauge and a small control unit you mount out of the way that can be daisy chained with many others to make multiple displays on one gauge.
Also, a WBO2 in every cylinder would be pointless with this car. Not only do you not have control of individual injectors on these cars, you would be better served with an EGT in every bank if you really wanted to fine tune.
And the multi-display that will allow you to display 4+ items at once, and/or completely customize your display to any style you want.
As far as PLX, what's bulky? It has an incredibly thin gauge and a small control unit you mount out of the way that can be daisy chained with many others to make multiple displays on one gauge.
Also, a WBO2 in every cylinder would be pointless with this car. Not only do you not have control of individual injectors on these cars, you would be better served with an EGT in every bank if you really wanted to fine tune.
And the multi-display that will allow you to display 4+ items at once, and/or completely customize your display to any style you want.
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I believe he is referring to the older PLX devices, which were a bit bulky.
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I'm talking about the controller itself.
I don't see why its impossible to tune each individual cylinder. I got a few idea's on individual tuning. The messy but easiest way would be plumb 6 FPR's to each injector. Each injector would have to stay firmly in the head so a new fuel injector bracket would need to be made, that shouldn't be too hard or you could drill and tap to individualize each port by blocking it off. You could change out the injector for smaller or larger one but that's no different than changing the fuel pressure but at least you wouldn't have to make a new fuel rail.
The one thing about any method would be the cylinder would have to be run lean or rich throughout the entire rev band, which probably rarely happen's. But how many head gasket's and broken piston rings has everyone seen when it was just one cylinder that leaned out?
I guess if it were possible to change the impedance on the injector that might be a way but a pro level tuner could do each cylinder but I don't know much about them.
But no matter what I want to run 6 widebands just to see how the cylinder is running. Wouldn't you rather have 6 of those innovate controller's vs. the plx one.
I don't see why its impossible to tune each individual cylinder. I got a few idea's on individual tuning. The messy but easiest way would be plumb 6 FPR's to each injector. Each injector would have to stay firmly in the head so a new fuel injector bracket would need to be made, that shouldn't be too hard or you could drill and tap to individualize each port by blocking it off. You could change out the injector for smaller or larger one but that's no different than changing the fuel pressure but at least you wouldn't have to make a new fuel rail.
The one thing about any method would be the cylinder would have to be run lean or rich throughout the entire rev band, which probably rarely happen's. But how many head gasket's and broken piston rings has everyone seen when it was just one cylinder that leaned out?
I guess if it were possible to change the impedance on the injector that might be a way but a pro level tuner could do each cylinder but I don't know much about them.
But no matter what I want to run 6 widebands just to see how the cylinder is running. Wouldn't you rather have 6 of those innovate controller's vs. the plx one.
New controller or old PLX controller. The new one is tiny... Seriously, it's small. You could put it behind the gauge in the pod if you wanted. Mine is in a location that makes it easy to service and add onto, especially since it feeds directly into my AEM EMS 2.
In addition to virtually finding no gain (unless you have an ISSUE), you'd be better served adapting an ECU that just gives you full control over each injector and individual cylinder knock correction. Having a proper flowing fuel setup to begin with and a solid tune (to include timing and knock control) would go MUCH further.
However, I still stand on that you would be MUCH better served with an EGT in every primary port vs. a WBO2. In either case, in a situation like this, it's a gigantic waste of money with either route. You can use logs to get an idea how it's running. If you're having issues you cannot figure out, pull the plugs.
The cylinder would not have to run lean or rich throughout the entire rev range to see a spike in a log, which is the only way you're going to be able to process that much information anyway. The time involved would be astronomical to nail down and/or far more money than it is worth.
In addition to virtually finding no gain (unless you have an ISSUE), you'd be better served adapting an ECU that just gives you full control over each injector and individual cylinder knock correction. Having a proper flowing fuel setup to begin with and a solid tune (to include timing and knock control) would go MUCH further.
However, I still stand on that you would be MUCH better served with an EGT in every primary port vs. a WBO2. In either case, in a situation like this, it's a gigantic waste of money with either route. You can use logs to get an idea how it's running. If you're having issues you cannot figure out, pull the plugs.
The cylinder would not have to run lean or rich throughout the entire rev range to see a spike in a log, which is the only way you're going to be able to process that much information anyway. The time involved would be astronomical to nail down and/or far more money than it is worth.
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Megasquirt msx3 like I got will tune each cyl
Dirk37
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I just picked up an Innovate MTX-L, which is essentially the LC-2 with a gauge, and I can highly recommend it as well. If you get it on eBay its about $50 cheaper than buying from Innovate directly.
