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Guys you're never gonna believe this! I heard from a guy that knows a guy that met a guy who read about a guy who got a bad tune that revved his engine to over 12,000 RPM! Look at me, give me attention! I have tEh PrOoF!

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Lmao this literally took less than two minutes to create, and that's with my one year old distracting me. Anyone who knows how to use 'paste special' in excel can make absurd manipulations to an SCT log chart in a matter of seconds.
 
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Understood. No ill will from me as I have no dog in this current tuning discussion.

Carry on. :burnout:
And of course neither do I. But unlike Livernois, or Gearhead, or any other vendor, Ortiz has an established record on this forum of publicly owning up to their mistakes, righting wrongs, and even pre-emptively asking for public scrutiny to find ways to improve. So when @FiveLeeter918 says unequivocally that some rando who is very poorly disseminating uncredible 2nd hand information is straight up lying and committing criminal defamation, I am much inclined to believe him.

Now that daddy boy is actually called out to the mat, let's see who really fades to silence in true ironical fashion.
 

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And of course neither do I. But unlike Livernois, or Gearhead, or any other vendor, Ortiz has an established record on this forum of publicly owning up to their mistakes, righting wrongs, and even pre-emptively asking for public scrutiny to find ways to improve. So when @FiveLeeter918 says unequivocally that some rando who is very poorly disseminating uncredible 2nd hand information is straight up lying and committing criminal defamation, I am much inclined to believe him.

Now that daddy boy is actually called out to the mat, let's see who really fades to silence in true ironical fashion.

He didn't say the shifting at 7k is a lie tho and he won't. I'm so confident of that I will send you 20 bucks if he does.

I wish this kind of info was out back when I made my 250 dollar donation to ortiz for a tune.
 

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Kind of funny, in an ironic kind of way, because after my debacle (which I documented incredibly well after remaining quiet and gathering info for 3 months plus before going public) with that nasty L vendor who's name I can't even bear to spew from my lips anymore......

They too went silent and completely abandoned the communities and platform for all inclusive purposes (they've since targeted the Dodge/Chrysler/RAM owners ----- which is scary for those owners who don't know better).

So I'm not implying the two situations are synonymous with each other, but the correlations of the resulting actions on each vendors behalves, I definitely find ironic.

It’s funny you mention that. I bought my SHO around the time your LMS situation went down. I called LMS and told them I want to push my SHO to 500whp and they told me to buy a Charger and started talking smack on the SHO. That prompted me to do more research I landed here and read your story!

@stripSHO I usually ignore your comments but I’ll somewhat entertain you this time.

I would fully welcome Ortiz to launch a lawsuit against me. Who doesn’t want free money! Only one person has committed defamation and it isn’t me. That’s why I’m not the silent one.
 

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didn’t realize this was gonna start a war Lmao! For the record 95% of the stuff I found on Ortiz was all positive and to be honest personally I don’t know a damn one of you and I’m going to take everything from anyone with a grain of salt, the majority consensus puts the Gearhead guys at the top with anyone out there and haven’t found a single horror story here or elsewhere I’m going with them
 

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And of course neither do I. But unlike Livernois, or Gearhead, or any other vendor, Ortiz has an established record on this forum of publicly owning up to their mistakes, righting wrongs, and even pre-emptively asking for public scrutiny to find ways to improve. So when @FiveLeeter918 says unequivocally that some rando who is very poorly disseminating uncredible 2nd hand information is straight up lying and committing criminal defamation, I am much inclined to believe him.

Now that daddy boy is actually called out to the mat, let's see who really fades to silence in true ironical fashion.

Trust me, ignoring a troll doesn't mean we are admitting defeat or trying to hide. I've been very active and our sales are up 300% compared to last year, just been busy and arguing with trolls isn't something I care to bide my time with.

To address the video, it's easy to take an isolated situation out of context and claim it to be the norm.

In this specific instance, a forum user (he hasn't chimed in so I won't involve him unless he wants to get involved) was tuning with us on a high power build, and with our tune he kept getting a Torque Source 4 (engine rpm limit) throughout the power band. Not something we've encountered before, and as a test we raised the engine speed limiter to 8000 rpm so that it had no chance of ever seeing that, as the shift rpm was still at 6200 where we set all of our SHOs.

When he logged in M mode, the car downshifted on its own and the RPM shot up to 8000 rpm and bounced the limiter. I'm not denying that it happened, never did, but to insinuate that it's "they norm" or a "coin toss" on whether or not it's going to happen is a blatant lie and an attempt to sway potential customer opinion through 3rd party information and taken out of context.

I've said it before though, if someone feels that their opinion will affect their status in a community, get them kicked off a forum, or land them in legal trouble, that's an internal issue, and not one that I'm really concerned with. I'm far too busy to seek out and attack other people that I don't know.
 

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Trust me, ignoring a troll doesn't mean we are admitting defeat or trying to hide. I've been very active and our sales are up 300% compared to last year, just been busy and arguing with trolls isn't something I care to bide my time with.

To address the video, it's easy to take an isolated situation out of context and claim it to be the norm.

In this specific instance, a forum user (he hasn't chimed in so I won't involve him unless he wants to get involved) was tuning with us on a high power build, and with our tune he kept getting a Torque Source 4 (engine rpm limit) throughout the power band. Not something we've encountered before, and as a test we raised the engine speed limiter to 8000 rpm so that it had no chance of ever seeing that, as the shift rpm was still at 6200 where we set all of our SHOs.

When he logged in M mode, the car downshifted on its own and the RPM shot up to 8000 rpm and bounced the limiter. I'm not denying that it happened, never did, but to insinuate that it's "they norm" or a "coin toss" on whether or not it's going to happen is a blatant lie and an attempt to sway potential customer opinion through 3rd party information and taken out of context.

I've said it before though, if someone feels that their opinion will affect their status in a community, get them kicked off a forum, or land them in legal trouble, that's an internal issue, and not one that I'm really concerned with. I'm far too busy to seek out and attack other people that I don't know.

Before the video: You kept accusing me of lying and denying it.

After Video: You acknowledge its true and finally offer an explanation. See how dishonest and misleading that is. You still have the nerve to attack my integrity…. Just shows how long you have been misleading people and how comfortable you are doing it.
 

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Guys you're never gonna believe this! I heard from a guy that knows a guy that met a guy who read about a guy who got a bad tune that revved his engine to over 12,000 RPM! Look at me, give me attention! I have tEh PrOoF!

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Lmao this literally took less than two minutes to create, and that's with my one year old distracting me. Anyone who knows how to use 'paste special' in excel can make absurd manipulations to an SCT log chart in a matter of seconds.
It is my data log. FCB256E1 098B 43FF B129 A16054BFB243
It happened so fast I didn’t know what exactly was happening, I tried staying in it bc I was trusting Luis. He never told me that he changed my engine speed limiter to 8k rpm. I had no idea. And had no shame and making it sound like that was my fault.702F96F0 A9CF 43FF 9FEC 357235C39BF6
I like working with Lee, however he is the salesman not the tuner. My car never ran right with my Ortiz tunes. I’ve got Dragy videos where I made 3 attempts and it cut power everyone. This was before narrowly beating Jordan’s Record. It ran worse than the stock tune, far worse than any Livernois tune I’ve had. After getting the record and doing XDI injectors I tried again with Luis bc I wanted to help Lee get Ortiz more popular? Idk exactly what I was doing the second time around, expecting something different? Well the 8k rpm shift thing was the icing on the cake for me not use Ortiz ever again. I kept the horrible experience to myself thinking maybe it was just my car that seemed to hate their tunes. But maybe I should have spoke up years ago.

It just didn’t work out for me.
 

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It is my data log. View attachment 83876
It happened so fast I didn’t know what exactly was happening, I tried staying in it bc I was trusting Luis. He never told me that he changed my engine speed limiter to 8k rpm. I had no idea. And had no shame and making it sound like that was my fault.View attachment 83881
I like working with Lee, however he is the salesman not the tuner. My car never ran right with my Ortiz tunes. I’ve got Dragy videos where I made 3 attempts and it cut power everyone. This was before narrowly beating Jordan’s Record. It ran worse than the stock tune, far worse than any Livernois tune I’ve had. After getting the record and doing XDI injectors I tried again with Luis bc I wanted to help Lee get Ortiz more popular? Idk exactly what I was doing the second time around, expecting something different? Well the 8k rpm shift thing was the icing on the cake for me not use Ortiz ever again. I kept the horrible experience to myself thinking maybe it was just my car that seemed to hate their tunes. But maybe I should have spoke up years ago.

It just didn’t work out for me.
Well said and thank you for verifying this. And in a respectful, informative, honest, and contextual manner. This is the type of product discussion we need. Not ignorant dips who have no first hand experience incoherently ranting derogatory opinions to youtube and then slapping a random plagiarized data log at the end without any explanation whatsoever.
 

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He didn't say the shifting at 7k is a lie tho and he won't. I'm so confident of that I will send you 20 bucks if he does.

I wish this kind of info was out back when I made my 250 dollar donation to ortiz for a tune.
Yeah but 7k is neither dangerous nor far-fetched, so I genuinely don't know why anyone is supposed to care?
 

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Yeah but 7k is neither dangerous nor far-fetched, so I genuinely don't know why anyone is supposed to care?

For me it isn't about the 7k shifting, it's more about the pattern. Most people care when they shell out a lot of money for a completely unusable tune. I sure as heck did. The countless people who have dm'd me over the last two and a half years did too. Any of them that bring anything up on facebook in the past have been absolutely wrecked by their loyal customers. Makes other people not want to share what happened to them because they just get attacked.

Sort of like how you attacked dadmobile and called him a liar. Nice apology on being proven wrong about that btw.
 

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Well said and thank you for verifying this. And in a respectful, informative, honest, and contextual manner. This is the type of product discussion we need. Not ignorant dips who have no first hand experience incoherently ranting derogatory opinions to youtube and then slapping a random plagiarized data log at the end without any explanation whatsoever.
I had permission to share what I shared. So that’s not plagiarism. I was honest about everything I have said this far. Angry little man.
 

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This is all the same junk talk that Vadim had back in the day with SHO Shop...remote tuning grumbles. Fast forward 20 years.

Probably why there so few tuning shops. Owners pushing limits and not happy with results from a remote tune.

At the end of the day its always best to take the car to the tuner, put on a dyno and spend the money to get what you want face to face with the tuner.
 

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For me it isn't about the 7k shifting, it's more about the pattern. Most people care when they shell out a lot of money for a completely unusable tune. I sure as heck did. The countless people who have dm'd me over the last two and a half years did too. Any of them that bring anything up on facebook in the past have been absolutely wrecked by their loyal customers. Makes other people not want to share what happened to them because they just get attacked.

Sort of like how you attacked dadmobile and called him a liar. Nice apology on being proven wrong about that btw.
First of all, boo freaking hoo. Do you know how many times I've had to deal with Matt Robinson himself publicly attacking, insulting or trying to personally discredit me for posting objective criticism of his tune? Or even just for attempting to assist other owners with his dumpster fires? Do you have any idea how much I'm biting my tongue about GH right now in this very thread because I don't feel like triggering his frail ego? FFS I ordered a power pack from GH and before it even landed on my doorstep I was getting berated by him for pointing out that he didn't create "auto octane" and merely suggesting the marketing was misleading.

So anyway, Ortiz states plainly that you'll run to redline in sport mode if you don't shift on your own. If you're talking about something else and you don't mind enlightening me, let's pretend I have zero context beyond what's been explicitly stated in this thread and point me in a direction to learn more about it lol.

And Actually my intuition with dadmobile was spot on. I called him out to produce the data log because I wanted to review for potential discrepancies. But I also knew pretty dam sure he had done no due diligence on his part and couldn’t personally prove or substantiate a thing. Pointing a video camera at six month old cell phone picture of a non-descript chart of unknown origin is about as credible and trustworthy as scribbling zig zags on a blank sheet of paper. Really all I accused dadmobile of was negligence, and that still stands. I'd have probably afforded him greater benefit of the doubt if he didn't display a fundamental ignorance of the platform and tuning in general, or speak in a wildly hyperbolic manner the whole way through.
 

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I had permission to share what I shared. So that’s not plagiarism. I was honest about everything I have said this far. Angry little man.
Plagiarism has nothing to do with permission. But hey, you go ahead and believe whatever nonsense you want to believe. That seems to be the core of your mindset. Like believing 7k RPM poses a threat to our engines, or that a 1400 psi rail dip is indicative of anything at all.
 

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First of all, boo freaking hoo. Do you know how many times I've had to deal with Matt Robinson himself publicly attacking, insulting or trying to personally discredit me for posting objective criticism of his tune? Or even just for attempting to assist other owners with his dumpster fires? Do you have any idea how much I'm biting my tongue about GH right now in this very thread because I don't feel like triggering his frail ego? FFS I ordered a power pack from GH and before it even landed on my doorstep I was getting berated by him for pointing out that he didn't create "auto octane" and merely suggesting the marketing was misleading.

So anyway, Ortiz states plainly that you'll run to redline in sport mode if you don't shift on your own. If you're talking about something else and you don't mind enlightening me, let's pretend I have zero context beyond what's been explicitly stated in this thread and point me in a direction to learn more about it lol.

And Actually my intuition with dadmobile was spot on. I called him out to produce the data log because I wanted to review for potential discrepancies. But I also knew pretty dam sure he had done no due diligence on his part and couldn’t personally prove or substantiate a thing. Pointing a video camera at six month old cell phone picture of a non-descript chart of unknown origin is about as credible and trustworthy as scribbling zig zags on a blank sheet of paper. Really all I accused dadmobile of was negligence, and that still stands. I'd have probably afforded him greater benefit of the doubt if he didn't display a fundamental ignorance of the platform and tuning in general, or speak in a wildly hyperbolic manner the whole way through.

First of all, boo freaking hoo. Do you know how many times I've had to deal with Matt Robinson himself publicly attacking, insulting or trying to personally discredit me for posting objective criticism of his tune? Or even just for attempting to assist other owners with his dumpster fires? Do you have any idea how much I'm biting my tongue about GH right now in this very thread because I don't feel like triggering his frail ego? FFS I ordered a power pack from GH and before it even landed on my doorstep I was getting berated by him for pointing out that he didn't create "auto octane" and merely suggesting the marketing was misleading.

So anyway, Ortiz states plainly that you'll run to redline in sport mode if you don't shift on your own. If you're talking about something else and you don't mind enlightening me, let's pretend I have zero context beyond what's been explicitly stated in this thread and point me in a direction to learn more about it lol.

And Actually my intuition with dadmobile was spot on. I called him out to produce the data log because I wanted to review for potential discrepancies. But I also knew pretty dam sure he had done no due diligence on his part and couldn’t personally prove or substantiate a thing. Pointing a video camera at six month old cell phone picture of a non-descript chart of unknown origin is about as credible and trustworthy as scribbling zig zags on a blank sheet of paper. Really all I accused dadmobile of was negligence, and that still stands. I'd have probably afforded him greater benefit of the doubt if he didn't display a fundamental ignorance of the platform and tuning in general, or speak in a wildly hyperbolic manner the whole way through.

I'm talking more about getting completely unusable tunes and being told something is wrong with your car while literally every other single tuner on the platform is able to tune it just fine.

There's also lots of people that have shifting issues, mine on the base tune they sent felt like I was driving a manual with the clutch pressed halfway in. Dragy graph looks shows it. You can even go look at Lee's old dragy runs back when he used to use dragy, he's got the same jagged line on his and lots of other customers do too.

You can have whatever opinion you want of Matt and you can say whatever you want about him, as you have many many many times in the past. Nobody tries to silence you or stop you or threaten bodily harm on you. If there were 50 people like you all saying the same exact thing, it might hold some water.

I don't even care if people continue to use ortiz, if that's who they feel comfortable with that's who they should go with. Just like with the livernois issues a few years ago, people need to be made aware ahead of time so they don't waste crap tons of money trying to fix a non existant problem on their car when the fix is a 150 dollar tune away.

I don't even steer people that have dm'd me to use gearhead. I just tell them if they have exhausted all options with their tuner and the next step is paying someone to look at their car, try a different tuner first. Any tuner except the three letter one.

I'm just tired of seeing people driven away from the platform out of frustration and wasted money.
 

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I'm talking more about getting completely unusable tunes and being told something is wrong with your car while literally every other single tuner on the platform is able to tune it just fine.

There's also lots of people that have shifting issues, mine on the base tune they sent felt like I was driving a manual with the clutch pressed halfway in. Dragy graph looks shows it. You can even go look at Lee's old dragy runs back when he used to use dragy, he's got the same jagged line on his and lots of other customers do too.

You can have whatever opinion you want of Matt and you can say whatever you want about him, as you have many many many times in the past. Nobody tries to silence you or stop you or threaten bodily harm on you. If there were 50 people like you all saying the same exact thing, it might hold some water.

I don't even care if people continue to use ortiz, if that's who they feel comfortable with that's who they should go with. Just like with the livernois issues a few years ago, people need to be made aware ahead of time so they don't waste crap tons of money trying to fix a non existant problem on their car when the fix is a 150 dollar tune away.

I don't even steer people that have dm'd me to use gearhead. I just tell them if they have exhausted all options with their tuner and the next step is paying someone to look at their car, try a different tuner first. Any tuner except the three letter one.

I'm just tired of seeing people driven away from the platform out of frustration and wasted money.

Just for the record, our base file uses 100% factory Ford OEM shift patterns. Nothing is changed on our tune we literally update the MAP sensor info, raise boost and spark slightly to see how the car reacts, and then send it to the customer.

If the car shifts awkwardly, then it's due to one of 3 issues:

1.) MAP Sensor installed in wrong spot or MAP sensor installed is incorrect based on tuning request form (will create other issues as well plus a CEL)
2.) Gearing is different from tune request form, or SCT value file is incorrect. Revision required.
3.) Previous tune wasn't removed from car prior to loading our tune, which left pieces of information from the old tune on the PCM and it's not following our commanded values. Return to stock tune then reload our tune.

Our tunes aren't canned tuned. Never have been in 15 years of service, and never will be. Every tune is validated and optimized for the specific end user, we don't do "one size fits all" tunes, we don't advertise that we do, but if all things on the car are good, the car will behave properly and datalogs will show it. If fuel trims are high, it's due to a leak or an undisclosed amount of ethanol that is throwing off AFR and the car is trimming to get back to value. It may not always be a boost leak, but the evidence of trimmed fuel to reach commanded values is there and it needs to be confirmed before we continue.

95% of the time, the issues we address based on a datalog end up being confirmed when a mechanical issue is found. Very rarely does it ever end up being a tune issue, but since most SHO tuners use what the industry refers to as a "bandaid" tune (the tune sees an issue and retards spark/timing to prevent damage and the customer is unaware until they go to the track and run 13s FBO).

Our philosophy has always been that we highlight the issue and correct it. Too many tuners send the "perfect" tune and if you have issues, it's on you to fix it. Rather than leave you scratching your head and on Facebook asking why your car has issues, we start conservative, highlight any issues before you're commanding full boost and high timing, and work with you to resolve them. If you choose not to, and you'd rather go to another tuner that can tune away the issue, that's completely up to you.

We have plenty of customers that were convinced to try another tuner when they had issues with ours, then came back when they weren't any better with the other tuner.

Are we 100% satisfaction with every customer? Definitely not. We tune thousands of cars a year and have 2 dozen dealers supporting local customers, and occasionally we encounter a vehicle that we just can't get right, but it's few and far between. Our satisfaction rate is very high, and our support never expires, so it's up to you if you want to continue to work with us to resolve any issues or jump ship and spend more money to achieve the same end result.
 

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Just for the record, our base file uses 100% factory Ford OEM shift patterns. Nothing is changed on our tune we literally update the MAP sensor info, raise boost and spark slightly to see how the car reacts, and then send it to the customer.

If the car shifts awkwardly, then it's due to one of 3 issues:

1.) MAP Sensor installed in wrong spot or MAP sensor installed is incorrect based on tuning request form (will create other issues as well plus a CEL)
2.) Gearing is different from tune request form, or SCT value file is incorrect. Revision required.
3.) Previous tune wasn't removed from car prior to loading our tune, which left pieces of information from the old tune on the PCM and it's not following our commanded values. Return to stock tune then reload our tune.

Our tunes aren't canned tuned. Never have been in 15 years of service, and never will be. Every tune is validated and optimized for the specific end user, we don't do "one size fits all" tunes, we don't advertise that we do, but if all things on the car are good, the car will behave properly and datalogs will show it. If fuel trims are high, it's due to a leak or an undisclosed amount of ethanol that is throwing off AFR and the car is trimming to get back to value. It may not always be a boost leak, but the evidence of trimmed fuel to reach commanded values is there and it needs to be confirmed before we continue.

95% of the time, the issues we address based on a datalog end up being confirmed when a mechanical issue is found. Very rarely does it ever end up being a tune issue, but since most SHO tuners use what the industry refers to as a "bandaid" tune (the tune sees an issue and retards spark/timing to prevent damage and the customer is unaware until they go to the track and run 13s FBO).

Our philosophy has always been that we highlight the issue and correct it. Too many tuners send the "perfect" tune and if you have issues, it's on you to fix it. Rather than leave you scratching your head and on Facebook asking why your car has issues, we start conservative, highlight any issues before you're commanding full boost and high timing, and work with you to resolve them. If you choose not to, and you'd rather go to another tuner that can tune away the issue, that's completely up to you.

We have plenty of customers that were convinced to try another tuner when they had issues with ours, then came back when they weren't any better with the other tuner.

Are we 100% satisfaction with every customer? Definitely not. We tune thousands of cars a year and have 2 dozen dealers supporting local customers, and occasionally we encounter a vehicle that we just can't get right, but it's few and far between. Our satisfaction rate is very high, and our support never expires, so it's up to you if you want to continue to work with us to resolve any issues or jump ship and spend more money to achieve the same end result.


Maybe instead of telling someone they have a boost leak based off fuel trims, if their wastegate isn't pinned to 100% just tell them they have an issue with their fuel trims and you can't proceed until that is fixed. When you tell someone they have a boost leak, first instinct is that this guy must know what he's talking about so I must have a boost leak. At least then you aren't sending them down the wrong road.

I wouldn't even bring it up just based off my situation 2.5 years ago, but I know someone else that got the same response not too long ago so it's clearly still an issue. Over the last year I've seen at least two people fix their high fuel trims by replacing the pressure sensor on the fuel rail. Maybe that is the issue, not sure I'd even tell anyone that but maybe point them into doing further research into that.
 
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