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Does anyone know for sure if mazda designed all the components for the MTX from scratch. I'm having a tough time believing no other mazda tranny is harboring our needed parts - now that I have convinced my mechanic to drop my tranny and do the clutch.
 

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Axle seals are the same in some Mazda transmissions. I'm sure some other internal parts are, but cross reference guides are few and far between, to say the least.
 

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yep...
so unless you had a lot of mazda trannies..... you'll probably never know...


what i wouldnt give for a 400-ish final drive.... :dribble:
 

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SASHO91 said:
yep...
so unless you had a lot of mazda trannies..... you'll probably never know...


what i wouldnt give for a 400-ish final drive.... :dribble:
About $10,000?

Bob
 

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Well I just found an article stating that the MTX-IV was designed by ford but built by mazda. That is a whole other ball game if it is true. Even so there must be more info out there on this. Conservation of parts has been around for years.
 

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I just wonder if the 1991-1995 ****** GT trans is the same internally. I'll make a call monday and ask my tranny guy if he knows. I know my 91 GT had a 4.30 final drive ratio.
 

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I found this also. Don't know how true it is.
"The MTX-IV is a beefed-up version introduced in 1989 for the Taurus SHO. It was also used in Ford Probe and Tempo/Topaz models equipped with the Vulcan V6."

I'm all for cannibalizing a Probe or Tempo tranny to get some syncros and blocking rings.
 
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doclees said:
I found this also. Don't know how true it is.
"The MTX-IV is a beefed-up version introduced in 1989 for the Taurus SHO. It was also used in Ford Probe and Tempo/Topaz models equipped with the Vulcan V6."

I'm all for cannibalizing a Probe or Tempo tranny to get some syncros and blocking rings.

so... if thats true we could use parts from the probe tranny aftermarket... it has to be bigger then ours right?
 

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yeah, since those Azenis (sp?) come in 225-50's, i might pick up a set.. :naughty: not quite 23's but close
 

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From what I have seen.....the MTX-IV from a SHO looks the same (except for some extra webbing...) to the MTX-IV that was in my tempo. and the MTX-IV looks alot like the MTX-III that came in the 1st gen ****** and 4 cylinder tempo's....

know, from what I have seen in the Mazda (or mazda based cars..) is that there is a removable end cover that makes the tranny longer then the tranny's I have seen in ford cars. didn't look like a MTX-IV at all.

The Vulcan v6 probes I have seen came with a Mazda tranny, cause from what I read (used to be into turbo probes/MX6's) is that the V6 and turbo tranny shared some internal parts. (and THAT tranny is a mazda tranny.)

I have alway thought this and will intill there is actuall proof, the MTX-IV is a FORD tranny, cause Mazda's tranny's look alot different.
 

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The tempo trans has a taller final drive to. Guys like Ransom may would want that, for doing standing mile top speed passes, but 99.9% of us don't want a taller final drive.
 

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Hey I'm not talking about swapping out trannys from one car to the other. I'm talking about gutting these other trannys that may be harboring some parts that ours can use. Lets pretend that a Probe tranny uses the same synchros and the Tempo has the same 3rd gear....Etc. Many more of these than SHO trannys.
 

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your best bet for parts would be the MTX-III and the MTX_IV out of the tempo/topaz, ******/links/EXPs........and not all of them came with a lower final drive, some did come with a 3.73 final drive....in the tempo it would be anything that was a sport model, from 88-91 and would have a ford performance valve cover.
 

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You're going to run into a lot of problems and wasted money trying to find out if parts from another tranny work or not. I've done it all and all of the reasearch you can do.

Problems:

Some synchros are the same, but then they have a smaller inside shaft diameter and wont slide onto the SHO shaft. Then you have some that have smaller grooves for the shifting forks, meaning the SHO one is too big to fit in it and operate the synchro. You also have some that have super tiny blocking rings that wouldn't work on our bigger gears that require bigger blocking rings.

I've spent plenty of time inspecting and testing parts in this department, as I have over hundreds of parts to go through and test in a warehouse. Some parts from other Ford vehicles come closer than the cars brought up in this thread, but I still haven't found a part that would work and be plenty of. If you find one, most likely that same parts is going to be obsolete already and hard to come by. Then if there's an aftermarket source, you're going to be buying a whole rebuild kit just to get one or two blocking rings.

There's a lot of things that would make parts from other cars not work, even though they look the same. And, you can bet that there's not one dealership or warehouse that's going to let you dig around in their inventory to see if something will work with your transmission.
 

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