Mustang GT Brembos

[Angrymongoose]

Ok H.O.E on the AD mounts thing. AD is doing literally the same thing as Aaron here. Aaron isnt cutting any metal or any of that. He made a design, and a shop built the product. Exactly the same as AD.

You cool if the shop Aaron used, steals his design, makes cheaper cuts etc, claims it as their own product, sells it directly, then posts all over them internets bashing Aaron as a hack? Thats exactly what SSM did.

So if you're gonna bash AD you gotta bash Aaron too.

Now I dont have a problem with Aaron using a shop to make something for him that he then sells as his own. Thats how the world works.

 

[High on Ethanol]

Ok H.O.E on the AD mounts thing. AD is doing literally the same thing as Aaron here. Aaron isnt cutting any metal or any of that. He made a design, and a shop built the product. Exactly the same as AD.

You cool if the shop Aaron used, steals his design, makes cheaper cuts etc, claims it as their own product, sells it directly, then posts all over them internets bashing Aaron as a hack? Thats exactly what SSM did.

So if you're gonna bash AD you gotta bash Aaron too.

Now I dont have a problem with Aaron using a shop to make something for him that he then sells as his own. Thats how the world works.

Not exactly the same. AD measured between two holes with a tape measure.... Had a shop cut bar stock, weld existing bushing mounts on, and resold them for double the cost.

You can't compare a tape measure to 3d design. As well as the safety factor.

 

[High on Ethanol]

Also factor in AD doesn't show face in the community like Aaron, Lee, or Matt. You have to 3rd,4th,or 5th party him.

 

[Jordan_R]

Not exactly the same. AD measured between two holes with a tape measure.... Had a shop cut bar stock, weld existing bushing mounts on, and resold them for double the cost.

You can't compare a tape measure to 3d design. As well as the safety factor.

But can you tape measure a 3d design? Asking the Real questions here

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

@High on Ethanol HE USED IT

Ummmm....that was MY acronym, thank you very much...

Love you....mean it...

 

[Jordan_R]

Also factor in AD doesn't show face in the community like Aaron, Lee, or Matt. You have to 3rd,4th,or 5th party him.

Also Anthony is extremely active in the online community just not here lol

 

[High on Ethanol]

But can you tape measure a 3d design? Asking the Real questions here

Before cnc machining, I'm sure it was done manually at a much higher cost and time to produce. I'd imagine tape measures, micrometers and the like were all used.

Also depends on complexity of the design. A seat mount plate for example would be a cake walk

 

[GotGrip?]

Ummmm....that was MY acronym, thank you very much...

Love you....mean it...

Oh shit... my bad....


@Ecoboost_xsport HE USED IT!

 

[GotGrip?]

Ok before I have too much fun I think I’ll exit this thread ....it’s going down hill quick for me

It's ok, its going down hill for everyone involved =(

 

[High on Ethanol]

I personally enjoy the activities or I would take my ball and go home.
Get on the downhill mountain bike and let's rip

 

[GotGrip?]

I personally enjoy the activities or I would take my ball and go home.
Get on the downhill mountain bike and let's rip

Downhill mountain bike? I'll bring my shwin with no brakes and a wobbly rear wheel, lets do this!

 

[FiveLeeter918]

It's ok, its going down hill for everyone involved =(

good thing I have quality brakes to still stop fast

 

[GotGrip?]

good thing I have quality brakes to still stop fast

Damn Lee, that was smooth lol

 

[bpd1151]

Are they custom brakes, that you got on the cheap??



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[802SHO]

good thing I have quality brakes to still stop fast

Even Mr.Wiggles is speechless

 

[Kevin81]

But can you tape measure a 3d design? Asking the Real questions here

I loled.

 

[Kevin81]

Mass production vs small batch is a difference on ROI for time.

Consider the price difference of a mustang GT vs a cobra. Fewer cobras made, ergo, they are more expensive. They each required the same time investments, from tooling to R and D. They each have the same basic materials...iron, plastic, aluminum. Both require the same labor hours to build. Yet the cobra costs more. Why? Because there will be fewer of them. Ford has a choice...lose money on them, mark up the price to recoup their time investment, or make more of them. Of course, the last option only works if the demand is there. Supply without demand forces devaluation.


In short, if you want those brackets to cost less, Aaron needs a guarantee of selling more, so he can invest in mass producing them.

 

[Jordan_R]

I bet he'd have a lot ordered if there was some more data on them. Obviously wilwood calipers are an upgrade. Nobody doubting that. Wilwood calipers on stock rotor size? Well want data on if the investment is worth it. Especially if there is the option to go to 15" rotors then there should be noticeable difference however is it worth the money? Well currently, and yes this is in my opinion, no not until I am proven otherwise.

My whole critique of this is the brackets cost to much, but he's unwilling to get any second opinions on cost and wants to stick with the one and only shop that will produce them in a "high quality metal" that can bolt to a cast and machined hub. If you want the platform to do business with you then make them want to do business with you. If you don't use your own product, and only one other guy has them who also hasn't gotten really any data on it other than a singular dragy stop test then don't complain when others have issues with the product being overpriced and underproven. Prove it to us and show us what it can do. Engineer, create, test, cost efficiency analysis and market. All I have seen here is engineer and create.

There is a lot more to a product than making it physical and in your hands. Take all this as you will, but it doesn't help the prodding and pushing from others because honestly I have nothing to gain nor nothing to lose. I am going to voice my concerns with any, and that means ANY, product that I believe is not worth the investment. TCE is also very overpriced, but it doesn't seem they are near as concerned about not selling any unlike Aaron. That's my final 2 cents to give on the topic. So take the criticism as you will. Time to pony up some money and invest in your product some more for some testing. Cheers!

 

[aaron240]

Mass production vs small batch is a difference on ROI for time.

Consider the price difference of a mustang GT vs a cobra. Fewer cobras made, ergo, they are more expensive. They each required the same time investments, from tooling to R and D. They each have the same basic materials...iron, plastic, aluminum. Both require the same labor hours to build. Yet the cobra costs more. Why? Because there will be fewer of them. Ford has a choice...lose money on them, mark up the price to recoup their time investment, or make more of them. Of course, the last option only works if the demand is there. Supply without demand forces devaluation.


In short, if you want those brackets to cost less, Aaron needs a guarantee of selling more, so he can invest in mass producing them.

Amen man, without a large production run/group buy commitment there is no way I can get pricing down any further. Having a trusted CNC machine shop make one set of brackets once in a blue moon doesn't allow me to get any price breaks which in turn gets passed on to the customer unfortunately. The last thing I want to be is the bad guy here, it's not like enjoy the negative attention when I'm simply trying to contribute to the platforms performance growth.

 

[aaron240]

I bet he'd have a lot ordered if there was some more data on them. Obviously wilwood calipers are an upgrade. Nobody doubting that. Wilwood calipers on stock rotor size? Well want data on if the investment is worth it. Especially if there is the option to go to 15" rotors then there should be noticeable difference however is it worth the money? Well currently, and yes this is in my opinion, no not until I am proven otherwise.

My whole critique of this is the brackets cost to much, but he's unwilling to get any second opinions on cost and wants to stick with the one and only shop that will produce them in a "high quality metal" that can bolt to a cast and machined hub. If you want the platform to do business with you then make them want to do business with you. If you don't use your own product, and only one other guy has them who also hasn't gotten really any data on it other than a singular dragy stop test then don't complain when others have issues with the product being overpriced and underproven. Prove it to us and show us what it can do. Engineer, create, test, cost efficiency analysis and market. All I have seen here is engineer and create.

There is a lot more to a product than making it physical and in your hands. Take all this as you will, but it doesn't help the prodding and pushing from others because honestly I have nothing to gain nor nothing to lose. I am going to voice my concerns with any, and that means ANY, product that I believe is not worth the investment. TCE is also very overpriced, but it doesn't seem they are near as concerned about not selling any unlike Aaron. That's my final 2 cents to give on the topic. So take the criticism as you will. Time to pony up some money and invest in your product some more for some testing. Cheers!

I will get the test data and be thorough about it this time around unlike with the last Wilwood kit that was sold. You speak of shops with a better value, any particular ones that you feel can be more competitive with pricing? I'm all ears and am trying to bring cost down as well if it's at possible on small batch runs.