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Thanks, looking for a set up that would give me less compression and more rebound to soften the ride.
Kevin Curley
Member
If you end up going with a setup like this please keep us updated. I love the look and handling aspect of the coilovers but man are they harsh lol
FiveLeeter918
Ortiz Performance Sales
the H&R springs are designed around the PP struts. Most people I hear having issues have the non-PP struts, mine have been installed for 3 years and is very comfortable to me. Granted I come from Mustangs haha
I've decided to stick with stock ride height, car has new stock Monroe in front, surprised how much the front dropped in 60,000 miles. I unfortunately had to go this route as I spend a lot of time in Kentucky, and lowered cars do not fair well with some of the steep driveways. My only logical upgrade would be to go with air ride in the future. Unfortunately car after almost a month is still in repair.
I wanted to lower, but visiting family in stock height I was still scraping due to steep angles in Kentucky. So lowering as for now is out of the question. @802SHO has given me the drive to go change over to air ride in near future.
RickyRecon
SHO Member
What sort of issues are you hearing about? I’m going to put the H&Rs on mine soon, and was going to stick with new non pp struts/shocks, but I guess I could go with the pp ones if need be. Just faster wear with the non pp, or?
H&Rs are a nice spring with a nice drop, but if you go with the non-PP shocks and struts it will pogo. The non PP struts go bad so quickly with the stock springs, forget about it on a DD with H&Rs ...not good
RickyRecon
SHO Member
Roger that, thanks. I don't really DD my SHO anymore, but even if I did, I wouldn't have any problem sacrificing a bit of comfort for performance.
studio460
SHO Member
I think you referred to the PP-struts + H&R combo "riding like a tank" in a fairly pejorative way in the other thread. Again, my 2019 SHO PP is a road-trip car. I love tight handling and the look of a lowered profile/CG (like my 2003 Marauder with Eibachs). Do you absolutely not recommend the H&Rs on a PP SHO? Car sure looks nice at that ride-height. Thanks!
Zpak
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It’s rough at first but softens quite a bit after everything settles in. It’s still no town car but nowhere near as jarring as the first 5,000 miles.
SM105K
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If you were looking for a road trip car. Just cut the rear springs to level it.
In post two you can see the various ride heights my car has gone through. I honestly can tell you it rode the best with cut stock pp springs.
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studio460
SHO Member
Thanks! How much would you recommend? A full- or half-coil cut?
2K16SHO
Member
This post might help, I'm thinking of doing the same thing on my 2016 PP.
yaycandy
Aerospace Engineer
People not know how coil springs work, cutting a factory spring down is something that should never be done. People think the spring geometry is the same no matter the length. At least my tuner is smart with his response on the ecoboost performance forum.
Want it lower? Go full adjustable coilovers or lowering spring
Want it to ride better lowered? There is no car that rides better when lowered compared to factory suspension. The purpose is to increase the feel of the road through the suspension for more spirited driving or racing therefore making you feel the imperfections of the road. Which will make it ride rough. But on a impossible perfect road, there would not be an issue of negative road feel. Smooth as butter, happy happy
Want it lower? Go full adjustable coilovers or lowering spring
Want it to ride better lowered? There is no car that rides better when lowered compared to factory suspension. The purpose is to increase the feel of the road through the suspension for more spirited driving or racing therefore making you feel the imperfections of the road. Which will make it ride rough. But on a impossible perfect road, there would not be an issue of negative road feel. Smooth as butter, happy happy
studio460
SHO Member
With my Marauder, I was lucky that Eibach chose to make a run designed specifically for the 2003-2004 Mercury Marauder (unusual for such low-volume car). Though not progressive, the springs were an improvement over factory, dropped the car 1.5", and I didn't the feel the ride was compromised at all.
Some Marauder owners did cut their springs, but I don't recall the specific results. Certainly, I would prefer an "engineered" solution from a reputable manufacturer over cutting.
The problem is, there seems to be a lot of negative reports here among SHO PP owners with the H&R springs, and those who installed the Megan and BC Racing coli-over kits where the ride simply suffered too much (though, this is subjective, and one driver's "too much" may be another's "just right"). In contrast, the Eibachs were universally acclaimed by Marauder owners who installed them.
Would really love to tighten the suspension and lower the car for the improved CG and aesthetics, but the comments here seem to be overwhelmingly negative towards any of the aftermarket solutions currently available.
P.S. I noticed that you have the PI-grille installed on your SHO profile-pic. I already ordered one and is the first mod I plan to do when my 2019 SHO arrives tomorrow. Is it plug-and-play or did you have to remove the bumper-cover to install?
Some Marauder owners did cut their springs, but I don't recall the specific results. Certainly, I would prefer an "engineered" solution from a reputable manufacturer over cutting.
The problem is, there seems to be a lot of negative reports here among SHO PP owners with the H&R springs, and those who installed the Megan and BC Racing coli-over kits where the ride simply suffered too much (though, this is subjective, and one driver's "too much" may be another's "just right"). In contrast, the Eibachs were universally acclaimed by Marauder owners who installed them.
Would really love to tighten the suspension and lower the car for the improved CG and aesthetics, but the comments here seem to be overwhelmingly negative towards any of the aftermarket solutions currently available.
P.S. I noticed that you have the PI-grille installed on your SHO profile-pic. I already ordered one and is the first mod I plan to do when my 2019 SHO arrives tomorrow. Is it plug-and-play or did you have to remove the bumper-cover to install?
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yaycandy
Aerospace Engineer
The people on here want the car to look nicer and lower than it did from factory but are to old to have real lowering springs. And they daily drive a performance car and hate how rough it can be. Cant have both unless its air ride and lowered when parked.
Just take the bumper cover off and take off the 2 piece sho grill and slap on the 1 piece pi grill. Im not the first one who said this and there is no way around pulling the bumper off. Its very easy if you have mechanical skills. Just dont forget the screws that hold the bumper to the fender. There are plenty of write ups on how to take a taurus bumper off online. Sho is no different.
The lowering springs were designed for the pp shocks and have correct progressive spring rate for the pp shocks and drives just fine. Its a heavy car with lots of unsprung weight from huge cast calipers, to very heavy rims. Its going to feel like a tank because of all the weight that moves the suspension has momentum and needs to go somewhere. The unsprung weight is enough to move the car with lowering springs. Remove as much weight from the wheels and brakes as you can and it wont have the momentum to move the car upwards and the suspension can do its job. Lightweight cars dont have this issue of unsprung weight throwing the car around. 99% of the time its because lowering springs or coilovers are added and factory bump stops or equal length are used and they just bounce up and down on the bump stops all day making them ride very harsh.
If you dont track your sho and just want the looks and factory ride quality. Cut a ring off the factory spring. Its not right to do but there is negatives to it but probably wont be felt at a daily driving and doing the speed limit. Ive seen worse on show cars.
Lowering springs also help in weight transfer. The car stays level when you floor it instead of throwing the weight to the rear with the factory springs. Lowering springs alone with correct spring rates lower strip times alone on nearly every vehicles. Especially on fwd biased cars that need the weight on the go wheels instead of all to the ass end
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