Fuel Pump Diagnostic

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FamilySHO

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The fuel pump on my 1992 SHO stopped working a couple of days ago. The only good thing is that it happened in my driveway and not in the middle of nowhere with the wife and kids. I did a search for a fuel pump diagnostic and found an excellent one by project89sho: http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=9116. The Service Manual has a similar diagnostic in its "Fuel Systems-Service" section. Part of the testing is done on the ICRM above the radiator. Despite the fact that there are a number of threads further elaborating on the diagnostic, being severely mechanically/electronically challenged, I have a few questions. For clarity I'm going to repeat project89sho's diagnostic and then ask my (dumb) questions).

"1. Ground the FP test point on the EEC-IV connector. See the EEC self-test section of the FAQs at http://www.shotimes.com/SHO3eeccodes.html All voltage readings are referenced to a good chassis ground, unless otherwise specified. This activates the IDLE FP Relay.

2. Fuel pump SHOULD be running. If not, go to Step 3.

3. Measure at pin 5 of the ICM (PK/BK)to ground. You should measure partial battery voltage (I'll measure mine tomorrow). If so, go to step 6.

If reading is full battery voltage, there is an open circuit in the load side - Inertia switch, or FP. Go to step 4.

If reading is 0 volts, GO TO STEP 5.

4. Check inertia switch, reset as needed. Measure voltage on both leads. A good switch will have the same voltage on both leads as measured in step 3 above. If not, jumper across the switch and see if the FP runs. If so, replace the switch. Measure the voltage at the FP terminals. If you measure the same voltage at the input and the ground is good (verify it), replace the FP. If the voltage is lost at some point, you have an open circuit between that point and the previous point that did have voltage.

5. Measure ICM pin 10. If reading is full battery voltage, the FP relay in the ICM is bad. Replace or repair ICM. If reading is 0 volts, check the voltages on both leads of dropping resistor. If the readings are both 0 volts, there is an open circuit between the reistor and Fuse Link J. If one lead of
the resistor measures 0 volts and the other side reads battery voltage, the resistor is open. You can temporarily jump the resistor to see if the pump will run.

6. The FP should be running at "idle" speed. Listen carefully or have an assistant help."

All right now my questions.

1. Are all tests done on the IRCM with the FP test point still grounded?

2. The IRCM connector, the male end, has slots for 24 pins, 12 on the top and 12 on the bottom, but six are empty for 18 total pins. In determining the number of a pin, for example pin 5, would all the slots be counted whether there's a pin inserted or not?

3. In looking at the male end the pins would be counted right to left to determine the pin number, correct?

4. Both the service manual and threads elaborating on the diagnostic seem to indicate that the connector must be plugged into the IRCM in order to test voltage at the pins. This would require the individual pin to be pulled out of the connector for testing. Is this right? If so would it be all right to pull the wire out of the connector with say needle nose pliers? I don't want to do something which would damage the connector or the wiring, which is why I ask.

Unfortunately I may have more questions depending on hwo the IRCM tests. Please bear with me and thanks for the help.
 

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1992 FP diagnostics

1. Yes. That keeps the FP activated. Ignition switch must also be in RUN.

2. All slots are counted whether occupied or not.

3. Match up the wire color keys. Once you identify pin 5, the rest is pretty obvious.

4. The connector must be attached. You can "backprobe" the wire by carefully inserting the meter test lead along the wire and firmly pushing it in until it makes contact from the back side.

NotE that the 92 does not make use of the dropping resistor of low speed FP operation. There is a jumper in its place so that full battery voltage is applied to the FP whenever the low speed or high speed FP relays are energized.

Also, note that the 92 does not use a fuse link as discussed in the original post. Power for the pump and the cooling fans are supplied to IRCM pins 1, 2, 10, & 12 via the "COOLING FAN" fuse in the engine compartment fuse panel.

If you have any additional questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

Steve
 

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Steve:

I finally had a chance to do the diagnostic tonight. There's no voltage from pin 5, Pins 1,2,10 and 12 have battery voltage. The cooling fan fuse looks good. The relay in the IRCM is bad?

Can I run voltage from the battery to the grounded FP pin on the EEC to assure the pump operates?

Thanks!
 

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I could use some more input on my no start '92. I switched out the IRCM and am still not getting voltage at Pin 5. The FP obviously doesn't prime either. Before the SHO conked out I was having a heavy engine miss after making sharp or hard right turns. Could there be a ground or other wire that has worked loose/broken/shorted? I've eye balled the connectors and see nothing amiss.
 

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I'm still to diagnose my fuel pump no run situation. Relying on past posts on , the issue and the Service Manual (is has a sequential daignostic in its "Fuel System-Service" sectoon) the problem points to the PCM. (There is no voltage at IRCM Pin 5 but there is full battery voltage at PIN 8 and 12. I've changed the IRCM with the same result) The Manual requires a "breakout box" to test the PCM. Is there another way to test?

Another forum member has a PCM from a 94 MTX available. Would that work on my '92?
 

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I'm curious....did you check the voltage at the inertia switch when the key is turned on? If that is 12V, then the pump should be turning on. IF the votage is 12 and it is not turning the pump on, then your problem is the pump.

are you saying its zero?
 

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The FP test pin in the self-test connector is the signal line from the PCM to the IRCM.

Under the control of the PCM, this line is grounded whenever the FP relay is supposed to energized. Do not apply voltage to it. To energize the relay, ground this pin.

If grounding the pin does not cause the relay in the IRCM to energize, look for an open circuit between the self test connector and IRCM pin 18.

Steve
 

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Same problem as Family SHO's fuel pump

It seems that my father's 1993 ATX is suffering the same fuel pump woes.I changed the CCRM back in Feb. this year and all was good until last week.An aftermarket fuel pump was installed about 2 years ago. What might be unique to our problem is that the 10 amp fuse for the accessory feed has blown twice this week and this is what makes or breaks the fuel pump operation.

I am scratching my head on this one asking "what does the accessory feed fuse have to do with the FP operation?"

I hope the shop that installed the aftermarket pump did'nt hook up the pump to the accessory feed! That would be dumb.I will soon find out.

I ordered an electrical manual from Helm today to try and isolate the prob.

I just can't see my parents going anywhere in this car given this situation.

Good luck to you Family SHO,and thanks to all others (projectSHO89 esp.)

OGFocus99
 

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Correction on Accessory Feed

I was searching the Forum and found out that I misunderstood what the accessory feed fuse was.
OffRoadSHO posted on 7-25-04:
Next, I would check to make sure there is voltage on both sides of the little 10 amp fuse that is in the engine compartment power distribution panel. It's one of the two little ones at the end of the box. This little fuse is only hot in run and start so turn on the key first before the test. This fuse feeds the relay in the CCRM that in turn sends major power to the different sensors of the engine.

Thank You.
 

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Steve, thanks for the input.

Good luck OGFocus99 on trouble shooting your problem.

My review on past posts, and Beth's current problem on lack of fuel pump priming and other difficulties, show this can be a very difficult and time consuming problem to diagnose. I'm going to give it a last try this week end and if I can't resolve it hand it over to a person who probably knows as much as I do but works on cars for a living
 

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fuel pump prob

I went thru some similar probs on a 91.Be sure and check all your grounds.I had replaced the battery cable clamps and the small wire that goes to the neg.cable was the culprit.It wasn't fastened properly.I got a different clamp and it worked great.I took the tank down 5 different times and thought it was the fuel pump,which I did replace with a new one.I never did get any voltage reading at the inertia switch with the bad ground.And the voltage reading at the pump was only 2.3.I seriously thought the brand new pump was bad.CHECK THOSE GROUNDS!!!!
 

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Fuel Pump Diagnosis:eec fuse blowing

The blowing 10 amp fuse (accessory feed) located in the power distribution box that prevented the fuel pump from operating was traced to a defective coolant level sensor located in the radiator overflow reservior.

I had to replace the CCRM in February this year and thought that the same problem had reoccured. Same symptoms, but a trickier diagnosis this time.

Also found an old post:
11-26-02, 08:05 PM
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On several occations I have seen the coolant level sensor blow the EEC fuse. Try disconnecting the coolant level sensor and replacing the EEC fuse.

Tom W
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Black 92 MTX

I guess thats it for now until something else comes up. I will say that this forum has come up with some inspiring ideas and verifications. The moderators are very knowledgeable and it seems that the members(and mods) have a much more pleasant attitude than a lot of other automotive forums out there.

Thanks,
Paul
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Kenneth, I'll check he ground near the battery. I had already cleaned the ground at the passenger side firewall, and loosened and tightened the bolt on the PCM harness in the engine compartment. Are there any other grounds I should check?

Thanks for the help.
 

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