friendly reminder.... slider pins

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Just a friendly reminder..... grease them slider pins!

I recently noticed a dragging right rear caliper.

I pulled it into the garage today and tore into it.

HOLLY MOLLY! I could barely get the damn thing out. The rest slider pins on the 3 other brakes were not much better. And according to my records, they were all removed, cleaned, holes flushed, re-greased and reassembled less than 10k ago.

I think Im going to start doing it every oil change:nut:
 

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When I first bought my 90, that sucker was practically welded together. I got it loose but after sanding, greasing, it locked up a few weeks later. I ended up getting another bracket from Rockauto. It was like 15 bucks or something like that. Its amazing what climate and age can do to metal.
 

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I've always wondered how they "reconditioned" the inside of the guides that the slider-pins go into, in the caliper brackets.

Reconditioned caliper brackets look like they have new guides installed, so I figured they drill-out the old ones and press-in new ones after sandblasting/cleaning the brackets.

Anyone know for sure?
 

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I clean and grease them every two oil change. It helps the pads to wear out more even, make less noise and perform better. Plus they are always friggin stuck. One on the front broke this summer while trying to remove it. The braket was glowing red and it didn't even turned a bit.
 

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I've been having problems with my rear brakes making a slight moaning noise at very low speeds. Its usually at its worst when I release the parking brake. The noise goes away when applying the brakes. The calipers/pads are NOS Ford pieces with not many miles on them and the lines are stainless Earl's.

I determined that the rear brakes are dragging slightly, so I took the calipers apart to **** everything. The pins had plenty of grease on them, and didn't look bad at all. I wiped the old grease off, but I didn't "flush" the old grease out of the holes. Reassembled them with caliper ****, and I still have the noise, and the brakes still appear to drag a little more than they should. I don't get it.

Anybody have any input on my problem?
 

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Nope, the cables release completely.

Perhaps I need to clean out the holes that the slider pins go in.
 

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No, as long as the pins are not bent and the caliper bracket slides smoothly, they're fine.

I've started having the problem again this fall as well, mainly on the cold or cool-wet days when the temp goes below 40°F.

How old are your rear calipers? While the emergency brake cables may be releasing fine, did you check whether the emergency brake level on the caliper is releasing? It is a steel-on-steel lever with the seal. It's not hydraulically actuated, that lever mechanically moves the piston.

The SHO is relatively new [for you], have you tried completely flushing the fluid to the rears?

Have you lowered the car yet? It may be that the adjusting rod for the proportioner valve is bent and needs replacing, maybe just adjusted, or maybe the proportioner simply isn't working right.

I'll look for my write-up on bleed-testing the rear brakes and add it to the thread.
 

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The calipers probably have about 4k miles on them now (2k on the 95 and about 2k on this car). I have the rear 11.6" upgrade, so they are 89-92 calipers. I will have to check to see if the lever is releasing completely.

Yes, I have run new fluid through all of the brake lines.

The car is lowered (Intrax), and I have the Ingall's control arms. I hose clamped the rod's bracket to the control arm. It appeared to be working alright, but I will inspect it further. If anything, it seems like it would be pressing too ******* the valves, but I don't think that would impede fluid flow. I'll have to look up the specs for adjusting the proportioning valve.

BTW, I think the problem might be worse on the cooler mornings we've been having... Like 50 degrees F.
 
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I've been having problems with my rear brakes making a slight moaning noise at very low speeds. Its usually at its worst when I release the parking brake. The noise goes away when applying the brakes. The calipers/pads are NOS Ford pieces with not many miles on them and the lines are stainless Earl's.

I determined that the rear brakes are dragging slightly, so I took the calipers apart to **** everything. The pins had plenty of grease on them, and didn't look bad at all. I wiped the old grease off, but I didn't "flush" the old grease out of the holes. Reassembled them with caliper ****, and I still have the noise, and the brakes still appear to drag a little more than they should. I don't get it.

Anybody have any input on my problem?

Do you have aftermarket control arms? If so, I was having the same problem until yesterday. I ended up zip tieing the top arm on the valve to the frame...no more problem. While this isn't the best fix, I'm looking to see if anyone has a fix for this.
 

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The calipers probably have about 4k miles on them now (2k on the 95 and about 2k on this car). I have the rear 11.6" upgrade, so they are 89-92 calipers. I will have to check to see if the lever is releasing completely.

Yes, I have run new fluid through all of the brake lines.

The car is lowered (Intrax), and I have the Ingall's control arms. I hose clamped the rod's bracket to the control arm. It appeared to be working alright, but I will inspect it further. If anything, it seems like it would be pressing too ******* the valves, but I don't think that would impede fluid flow. I'll have to look up the specs for adjusting the proportioning valve.

BTW, I think the problem might be worse on the cooler mornings we've been having... Like 50 degrees F.

I guess I should read the whole thread before I post. I have the same rear set up as you, and the valve isn't releasing all the way.
 

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Well the pattern I've seen now in a half-dozen SHOs (including both of you now), is that it is always the right-rear on lowered cars. Not only did they only lightly drag, in my case it also usually completely releases after a period of time. That's why I'm being to wonder if it isn't tied to lowering the car.

To find out if it's slowly releasing, park on a slight enough incline where the car will roll, but only if the brake isn't dragging. Then either apply the brakes to induce it to drag, or re-park in the same spot the next time it beings to dragging, and sit in the vehicle with only the dragging brake holding it from rolling (ie. in neutral). My experience has been that after a few minutes, the car suddenly rolls back, indicating the pressure has [finally] released.

Late last winter when it started, I pulled the right-rear hose and change it, but it did not correct the problem. I changed the proportioner valve from another Taurus I have that work[ed] fine, and that did not correct it. So I wonder if it has something to do with a change in the geometry by lowering the rear of the car.

Much like lowering the car changes wheel camber front and rear, it also changes the angle the adjustment rod sits relative to both the control arm and the proportioner valve. I wonder if this, combined with not resetting the factory adjustment, is what's triggering the problem.

Food for thought . . . .


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Kelvin - here ya go !



Start with the slider pins first. I suspect that most piston seal failures occur because of the pins. If the pins are rusted, replace them - $6.99 at AutoZone (p/n H15017). Clean where the slider pin goes into the caliper bracket real well. Use plenty of a good, semi-clear synthetic caliper grease.

Check the operation of the parking brake cables, by having someone else engage/release the parking brake. If they aren't smooth, remove the cable from the caliper to see if the caliper parking brake lever is binding, or one of the cables is binding. If you think the cable(s) is/are hanging-up, releasing the parking brake pedal slowly will show if it is binding once removed from the caliper.


Below is a basic trouble-shooting guide that I have posted before, for working-through and "bleeding-through" the brake lines to determine where the problem exists. Print it out, review it, and highlight the applicable portions for what you're trying to correct.



Print this out and keep it handy when you get ready to start.
This is not an approved or certified diagnosis guide on how I
would trouble-shoot or repair my SHO, but how I would
approach brake issues if it were my vehicle.



I would start by pulling the passenger-side rear caliper and checking the condition of the slider-pins. If they're frozen or rusted and I'm able to get the pins out, I would try cleaning off all the rust. I've found a sheet of Scotch-Brite does a pretty good job of cleaning-up light surface rust - if the pins are pitted, I'd replace them. If in doing this it became apparent the pins were too far gone, I'd also buy a replacement bracket for $16.46 at Advance Auto:

Cardone Caliper Bracket ($16.46 - right/left rear, remanufactured)​

Regardless of whether the slider-pins were rusted or frozen, I would clean/replace the pins/caliper brackets and pick-up a high-quality synthetic caliper grease - last time I checked it was $9.24 to $11.99 for a large 8-oz. bottle at most auto parts stores. I personally would use either Permatex (Advanced Auto - $9.24 for 8 oz.) or VersaChem (O'Reilly - $11.99 8 oz.) synthetic greases. While AutoZone carries CRC synthetic grease for $9.99, it is a dull black-gray grease compared to the green Permatex and blue VersaChem greases, which are semi-transparent and allow me to see when rust begins to develop during later inspections.

I've found it takes little time to inspected and re-grease the pins during every brake service, even if the service is to simply check pad wear. It's cheaper insurance than an oil change.... :burnout:




Next, I'd pull the driver-side rear caliper and check the slider-pins. Either cleaning/removing the rust or replacing as per above. When the caliper and caliper bracket have to be replaced - while the bracket and caliper are available as a complete caliper kit, I would check to see if it's cheaper to buy them separately:

Cardone Rear Caliper w/o bracket ($42.96 / $50.00 core - unloaded, right rear, remanufactured)

Cardone Rear Caliper with bracket ($64.99 / $45.00 core - unloaded, right rear, remanufactured)​


In pulling both calipers (one at a time), I'd look at the condition of the brake fluid that leaks out. Is it rust-colored, cloudy, dirty, contaminanted (particles suspended in the fluid), or clear. Make a note for later reference here.

If contamination is noted in either rear-brake system, next I would check the corresponding opposite front-brake system. That is if the right-rear had contaminated fluid, I would next check and bleed the left-front caliper. Why?

The ABS system in the Taurus is setup using two ABS circuits (a primary and secondary circuit). The master cylinder aft chamber feeds brake fluid to the ABS primary circuit, which controls the right-front and left-rear brakes. The forward chamber feeds the ABS secondary circuit, which controls the left-front and right-rear brakes. Thus discovery of contamination at any one caliper means that the contamination may be present at the opposite-corner brake as well, which is indirectly connected via the ABS circuit.


As I prepare to bleed the rear brakes, I would support the left-rear hub with a 9.5"-10" (241mm - 254mm) long block of wood between the ground and the lowest two wheel studs. I use a a 2"x6" block, but a 2"x4" block can be substituted. The 2"x6" block provides better support, as the wheel studs are approx. 2.5" center-to-center and a "finished" 2"x4" actually only measures 3.5" across. I have found that elevating the hub places the proportioner valve at approximately the same position as having a standard-height tire installed.

I'd next, make sure the master cylinder is full and continue to check the fluid level as I progressed. I'd get a helper to lightly press on the brake peddle to see if brake fluid is flowing through the flexible hose. If you get no flow, progressively (slowly) increase brake pressure until you do. The following are generalizations I start with when initially trying to assess a brake problem, after I have checked the caliper bracket and pins. If I were trying to spend as little as possible, this is where I would start next.

  • If the fluid flows easily, the flexible line is probably not collapsed.

  • If the fluid spirts-out like it's under pressure or not at all, the line might be collapsed.

If the fluid spirts-out like it's under pressure, break-lose the flexible rubber hose from the hard-metal line on the rear subframe rail and remove the flexible hose. I'd repeat the test to see if the hard-metal brake line is free-flowing, or appears restricted or blocked.

  • If the fluid flows easily from both the flexible hose and hardline, the flexible line is probably not collapsed.

  • If the fluid spirts-out like it's under pressure from the flexible hose (or not at all), but flows easily from the hardline, the flexible hose is likely collapsed.

  • If the fluid spirts-out like it's under pressure from both the hardline and flexible hose, the problem is upstream in the brake system, possibly in the master cylinder, ABS pump, proportioner valve, or the lines themselves.

I'd then replace rear brackets/calipers/hoses as necessary. I'd pick-up a 32-oz. container of Prestone Dot 3 brake fluid at WallyWorld which is less than $4 a bottle, instead of wasting higher quality brake fluid until the brake problem is definitely corrected. Then I would re-bleed and flush the system with new Dot 3, or Dot 4 synthetic fluid.


WHEN YOU ARE DONE BLEEDING THE BRAKES, LOOK AT THE FLUID YOU HAVE BLED/DRAINED FROM EACH LINE AND FITTING.


  • Cloudy fluid indicates chemical contamination or that the brake fluid is old - in either case it should be changed.

  • Physically contaminated brake fluid (particles suspended in the fluid) is easily diagnosed by holding the sample up to a bright light source. The system/lines should be drained, flushed, and blown-out or allowed to air-dry before refilling with new brake fluid.

  • If it is rust-colored, internal corrosion is present and could be coming from anywhere between the master cylinder and caliper. In this latter case, after the affected components have been replaced, the entire system should be drained, flushed, and blown-out or allowed to air-dry before refilling with new brake fluid.

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Anyone else notice who's now showing-up on the Parts America website . . . ?
 

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Interesting thread. I just replaced my 95's stock rear brake lines with Russells stainless lines (grinding out the mounting brackets was a pain). This got rid of my drivers side drag completely, but the passenger side is still considerably warmer after allowing the car to coast to a stop exiting a highway. Need to see if the e-brake is relasing completely. It bled out fine.

When doing the drivers side rear, as soon as I unbolted the flex line from the caliper the rear rotor became very easy to turn, less so after bleeding. Wonder if there is some kind of one way check valve built into the rear "proportioning" (on/off) valve.

One other thing not mentioned thus far - I am wondering of possibly the wheel bearing could be an issue - 94 K miles and many autox's with 245 DOT tires.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions. zak
 

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One way to tell, every time you think one or both is/are dragging, is to check the rotor/hub temp (via the lugnuts). Start with the lugnuts. If they're warm to hot, check the temperature against the front lugs. If the rear lugs are cold, check the rotor temp as the brakes may not having been dragging long enough to transfer heat to the lugnuts via the hub.

The front brakes should always be the same temp or higher than the rears, due to the relative amount of braking each does - unless the rear brakes are dragging. And for thosing reading this that have never done this before, caution, as you can burn your hand/fingers pretty good on a hot rotor, or even the lugnuts if the brakes have been dragging long enough.
 

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I've been meaning to check the rear temps every time I drive the car for about a week now, but I always forget. Hopefully I'll remember this afternoon.

I'm pretty sure that my problem is not the bearings, as the rotor turns very easily without the caliper installed.
 

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