Just turned 48 here. Nice wide range of ages with SHO owners here. I've seen a few younger guys coming in the dealership looking at the SHO. Depending on where you live I'm sure insurance cost is a big factor in addition to payment. I remember when Mustangs were the main car for the younger set. Now Focus cost as much and more than Mustangs cost when I was 25.
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steve142857
11's in '12 ; )
Funny again how subject of the thread changed along the way... sorry to the OP lol!
Insurance costs were actually cheaper for me with the SHO than the 2009 V6 Fusion I had before it...
Probably there is a wide range of ages for SHO owners, but for the non-SHO Taurus, there are probably less younger owners, but again it's true that it is more affordable, so would be curious to see the official stats.
You can actually get a 2012 V6 Mustang with 305 HP for less than an equipped Focus!
i just turned 27got the car just after i turned 26
Im 26... bought it new when I was 25... Alot has to be said for working hard to get what you want.
Sorry to get off topic again....but I am glad to see there are some younger Gen 4 SHO owners. I'm 24 and have a new 2011 SHO. I dont consider my car to be a grandpa car.
N8rfastback
New Member
25 here... so there is some young guys on this forum! lol
esfoad
Esfoad
Ah, but I am young at heart!
zeus268
Maple Leaf SHO
I'm 35 but I'm wise like a 70 year old!
mjhpadi
New Member
I'm 35 but I'm wise like a 70 year old!
Yeah but without the aches and pains of 25 more years!
EcoBrick Bob
SHO Member
I am older than all of you... but act about 11.... Zoom Zoom ZOOM!
Showgun
Canuck SHO
Well, small mercies! I thought I was the oldest fart around here.
I bow to your wisdom, Bob.
oh yeah....acting young is our prerogative. It's the dues we paid
gipraw
Pro Detailer
I am 47 . so towards the higher end ..
I run nothing lower than 93 in the SHO. I run 20 gallons a week, and saving the $4 a week isn't worth the worry of banging on this car in the 100+ degree Houston heat with 87 in it.
If I wanted to run 87, I would be driving a limited.
I run nothing lower than 93 in the SHO. I run 20 gallons a week, and saving the $4 a week isn't worth the worry of banging on this car in the 100+ degree Houston heat with 87 in it.
If I wanted to run 87, I would be driving a limited.
bill murray
Member
1: This thread has been well and truly hijacked and has wandered far from the problems the OP has had with his SHO.
2: Given the problems he has apparently documented regarding his vehicle from almost the Get Go, I refer you to earlier threads starting in 2009/2010 (search yourselves, but Lotus something got a new car and at least a few others got a replacement car for very similar problematic vehicles).
3: So as to go with the hijacking flow since I am a rather mellow sort, I am 71+ and may perhaps be the oldest owner on this Forum.
I only burn 93, for what that is worth.
4: My 2010 SHO is not my first rodeo either, as many of you other members, I have been into performance vehicles since the Ice Age.
5: I would be glad to share the experiences I have had with performance cars since ca. 1956 but I think we need to get back to supporting the OP in his quest for some satisfaction from FMC. I know if my bone stock 2010 which now has a paltry 10K miles on it (I don't get out much anymore) blew a motor at 20 something thousand, and I had all the other problems he had, I would be all over my dealer and whomever I could talk to at FMC to get a replacement vehicle.
6: FWIW, I think the usage of 87 Octane fuel as a possible reason for his engine failure is beyond lame and a major Fail. FMC says it is OK, ergo, it is OK, end of story.
Not really trying to stir the *** but I think some of you guys are going a bit overboard in the gearhead department.
As they say, my two cents.
Bill
2: Given the problems he has apparently documented regarding his vehicle from almost the Get Go, I refer you to earlier threads starting in 2009/2010 (search yourselves, but Lotus something got a new car and at least a few others got a replacement car for very similar problematic vehicles).
3: So as to go with the hijacking flow since I am a rather mellow sort, I am 71+ and may perhaps be the oldest owner on this Forum.
I only burn 93, for what that is worth.
4: My 2010 SHO is not my first rodeo either, as many of you other members, I have been into performance vehicles since the Ice Age.
5: I would be glad to share the experiences I have had with performance cars since ca. 1956 but I think we need to get back to supporting the OP in his quest for some satisfaction from FMC. I know if my bone stock 2010 which now has a paltry 10K miles on it (I don't get out much anymore) blew a motor at 20 something thousand, and I had all the other problems he had, I would be all over my dealer and whomever I could talk to at FMC to get a replacement vehicle.
6: FWIW, I think the usage of 87 Octane fuel as a possible reason for his engine failure is beyond lame and a major Fail. FMC says it is OK, ergo, it is OK, end of story.
Not really trying to stir the *** but I think some of you guys are going a bit overboard in the gearhead department.
As they say, my two cents.
Bill
The Lotus guy had a car that was going to get him killed in an intersection, not a blown engine.
You could share... But the progression is such that much of the old-timer information would be farily useless at this point.
Sorry, but it's not end of story. Although it's not something I keep track of, I'm sure that Ford has said MANY things that weren't entirely correct. Sure, you MIGHT get a replacement engine (which will get more difficult as time goes on), but what happens when you're out of warranty and carbon deposits put you over the edge on knock control?
Unless you can provide concrete information about why the engine did this (via logging and stored trims), I'd say your argument is major FAIL.
But Ford said it's okay to run lower octane...
Having been logging and tuning boosted cars for some time now, I understand what is happening... Sometimes ignorance is bliss, which is great until something such as this happens. I know people who neglect certian gauges in cars as they'd rather not worry about certain items, but I think you've found it beneficial to run higher octane over what Ford says.
Remember that Cadillac that failed an engine while the journalist was driving it?
Go convince your dealer to perform TSB 11-5-3....This will stop the random hard knocking (really it is pre-ignition) under hot conditions at low engine speeds.
Most of the description is related to broken spark plugs, but it should take care of this issue too.
Go convince your dealer to perform TSB 11-5-3....This will stop the random hard knocking (really it is pre-ignition) under hot conditions at low engine speeds.
Most of the description is related to broken spark plugs, but it should take care of this issue too.
EcoBrick Bob
SHO Member
LIFE... SUX!!!
I hope to outlive the EB engine! Zoom Zoom ZOOM!
Converting my "limited" energies to my G8... (until Fall!)
I hope to outlive the EB engine! Zoom Zoom ZOOM!
Converting my "limited" energies to my G8... (until Fall!)
Showgun
Canuck SHO
SHOsc
New Member
SY1100..
Have not been on the site in a while. But this is exact problem that happened to me. Plug Malfunction which led to melted piston. 65 days and long block replacement later, i am back and running. I seeked legal advice too, with me being upset with the same emotions you had...wanting to replace car or refund. Lemon laws are on the manufacturers side...not ours. If you have any questions about my dealings with ford "customer support team" which is a joke, PM me.
You can find thread with melted piston pictures somewhere on this folder.
Have not been on the site in a while. But this is exact problem that happened to me. Plug Malfunction which led to melted piston. 65 days and long block replacement later, i am back and running. I seeked legal advice too, with me being upset with the same emotions you had...wanting to replace car or refund. Lemon laws are on the manufacturers side...not ours. If you have any questions about my dealings with ford "customer support team" which is a joke, PM me.
You can find thread with melted piston pictures somewhere on this folder.
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I have a working theory as to what is causing these engines to blow up and it has nothing to do with octane. Holes in pistons are typically caused by pre-ignition happening away from the spark plug (elsewhere in the combustion chamber). Some photos I've seen of torn down ecoboost engines show significant carbon build up on the piston crown. My best guess, and it's only a guess, is that an exposed edge of carbon is actually getting "lit up" and is actually burning/glowing during the piston compression stroke which in turn causes the pre-ignition to occur. A higher octane fuel may or may not help with this, but most likely would not make any difference since the burning ember of carbon is an ignition source in its own right.
I think the carbon build up is the actual root cause and I think it is a function of a number of related cause/effect variables: step 1) low detergent fuel causes the injectors to begin to foul 2) the injector spray pattern is compromised causing excess carbon build up on the crown and is further exacerbated by the low detergent fuel 3) some higher detergent fuels (if intermittently used) may actually be designed to "burn off" the carbon and result in causing small areas of the carbon to overheat causing the pre-ignition.
Here is a documented example of the high carbon build up:
http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=110539&highlight=octane
My recommendation - a really good carbon scavenging fuel injector cleaner at least 1x/month - somethin like Techron or better.
Anyway, just a theory. Who knows?
I think the carbon build up is the actual root cause and I think it is a function of a number of related cause/effect variables: step 1) low detergent fuel causes the injectors to begin to foul 2) the injector spray pattern is compromised causing excess carbon build up on the crown and is further exacerbated by the low detergent fuel 3) some higher detergent fuels (if intermittently used) may actually be designed to "burn off" the carbon and result in causing small areas of the carbon to overheat causing the pre-ignition.
Here is a documented example of the high carbon build up:
http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=110539&highlight=octane
My recommendation - a really good carbon scavenging fuel injector cleaner at least 1x/month - somethin like Techron or better.
Anyway, just a theory. Who knows?
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