Correct Part Numbers For Moog Coil Springs

[danohall]

Hello Everybody,

After reading through all the posts I could find on several SHO boards, there appears to be alot of confusion regarding what the right part numbers are for the Moog Coil Springs. So I got off my butt and went to 2 different parts stores and sat down with their Moog catalogs. The catalogs were 2002 and 2003 years.

Here are the part numbers:

Gen I: Front CC862 Rear CC839
Gen II: Front CC858 Rear CC859

Now for all those arguing about what is/isn't the part numbers for the station wagon rears, both catalogs say the rears are CC857. Period.

Now, somebodies "database" doesn't jive totally with the above numbers, and they were hinting that the Moog catalogs I was looking at were wrong.... believe who you want

As far as whether you can mix and match the front and rears between Gen I's and II's....eye dunno.

Anybody out there put the Gen I springs on the Gen II, and what do you think, or am I gonna have to do it??????

P.S. Everybody has been saying go to RockAuto.com for the springs. I went there and the shipping is outrageous (Over $40 for me). Try ExpressAutoParts.com. I don't know if it was a special or what but they were charging zero...zilch...nada for shipping!!! The prices on the springs were a few dollars more than RockAuto but throw in the free ship and you save mucho dinero.

Thanks Everybody,

Dan
95 ATX

 

[RoadWarrior]

Thanks for clearing that up. so it looks like I can get away with the Gen2 CC859 springs I've had sitting in my garage in my gen1 (if it ever gets above freezin taht is) yay

RW

<small>[ January 10, 2004, 01:42 AM: Message edited by: RoadWarrior ]</small>

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

we will see...

I currently have the 859's in the box, and a 839's on their way because I feared that the 859's were for the wagon. Im not making any decision until then as to what will work.

And the 'books' have been wrong on many occasions. Im not saying they are in this instance, but I wouldnt place any bets either way.

As I said:

We will see.

 

[danohall]

"We Will See".

Take it for what you want Kenny. You were one of the ones that were majorly confused as to what the correct part numbers were in the prior posts so do what you may with the info.

FWIW, companies don't last long if they consistently put out incorrect information in their catalogs, so I think your "the books have been wrong on many occasions" is stretching the truth considerably, especially a company like Moog. Let's see...listing the wrong part numbers since the Taurus came out...gee that's only since 1986!!! How could they do that and not have anybody straighten them out!!! WOW.

I got these part numbers by getting off my *** and going to 2...that's two... different auto parts stores and looking through different years of Moog catalogs myself. After seeing all the confusion and wrong part numbers passed around, I figured it was the least I could do.

859's are listed as Gen II rears. They have a free height of 14.5". The 839's you supposedly have coming are listed as Gen I rears and have a free height of 15.38", as per the "database". I can give you all the other dimensions of the 859's if you want, since they are not listed in the database.

The wagon 857 rears have a free height of 9". You do the math.

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

danohall:
"We Will See".

Take it for what you want Kenny. You were one of the ones that were majorly confused as to what the correct part numbers were in the prior posts so do what you may with the info.

FWIW, companies don't last long if they consistently put out incorrect information in their catalogs, so I think your "the books have been wrong on many occasions" is stretching the truth considerably, especially a company like Moog. Let's see...listing the wrong part numbers since the Taurus came out...gee that's only since 1986!!! How could they do that and not have anybody straighten them out!!! WOW.

I got these part numbers by getting off my *** and going to 2...that's two... different auto parts stores and looking through different years of Moog catalogs myself. After seeing all the confusion and wrong part numbers passed around, I figured it was the least I could do.

859's are listed as Gen II rears. They have a free height of 14.5". The 839's you supposedly have coming are listed as Gen I rears and have a free height of 15.38", as per the "database". I can give you all the other dimensions of the 859's if you want, since they are not listed in the database.

The wagon 857 rears have a free height of 9". You do the math.

We will see.

Two (THATS 2!) whole stores??

WOW ***

BTW, are you an a$$hole in real life AND online?

...

And dont worry, regardless of results, I will post pics of both springs (859 and 839) when I have them both in hand.

 

[Machspeed]

"BTW, are you an a$$hole in real life AND online?"

No kidding

 

[danohall]

Only online dealing with clueless people.

 

[Machspeed]

danohall:
Only online dealing with clueless people.

Hes right, kenny your a *****...

 

[SHOtimer]

Now, in your post you said that these were Moog coil springs. Are these the same as "cargo coils" or do those have different part #s along with different spring strength? Or are they all cargo coils?
Doug

 

[danohall]

Hey SHOtimer,

All the part numbers in my original post are the Moog Cargo Coils. I just started leaving off the "CC" portion of the numbers as I got lazy.

P.S. If your order a set, get them from ExpressAutoParts.com. They don't charge for shipping although the price for each pair is a little more than RockAuto's. For my zip the total from ExpressAuto was $106.87 whereas for RockAuto it would have been $139.40. They're killer on freight charges for these springs.

If you go for the KYB GR-2 struts, try tirerack.com. They're $48 apiece and real reasonable on shipping.

If you need any more info, give me a holler. I've just finished compiling a list of pretty much all the bushings needed.


Hey Kenny...I understand you have a set of the WRONG rear springs for your Gen I. Maybe you can let SHOtimer have them for a good price????

BWAH HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!

Golly Gee FOR SHO...I'm thinking I detect a bit of facetiousness there, but then again I'm stupid and don't know how to read a catalog. Oh well, at least I ordered the right part numbers for my springs the first time.

 

[khiser0001]

danohall,

I am in the process of trying to learn all of the stuff that I should replace while I am in there doing the struts and springs. When you complete the list of bushings would you be willing to let me know what you have found?

Thanks in advance,
Kevin

 

[Machspeed]

khiser0001:
danohall,

I am in the process of trying to learn all of the stuff that I should replace while I am in there doing the struts and springs. When you complete the list of bushings would you be willing to let me know what you have found?

Thanks in advance,
Kevin

Thats gonna be a long list. wink

 

[DHMag]

CC858 and CC839 on my Gen1. cut one and a half coils off front and one coil off rear. rides nice with Tokicos. as far as the shit-slinging, save it for when you know more, kiddo. we have the experience, you dont.

 

[JaySHOguy]

I don't get it. This guy gets off his azz, goes to 2 different stores to compare information he got from THIS site, and all you guys can do is tell him he doesn't know what he is talking about.

double u tee eff, mate! ***

BTW, I have the 839's in the rear of my '89 SHO.
I'm guessing the 839's are taller(hence, stiffer) than the 859's because the GenI cars had a stiffer suspension from the factory.

The guy tried to do everyone a favor and get the proper part numbers. You should be giving him a thumb instead of finger him off.

I'm done.

*edit* Oh yeah, and I only paid $72 for my springs, right from my local Napa dealer. Went to the store armed with the part number, ordered, paid, and they came in the VERY next day

<small>[ January 12, 2004, 01:47 PM: Message edited by: JaySHOguy ]</small>

 

[danohall]

Thanks JaySHOguy.

Mr. DHMag, I do believe this is a free country and we're all allowed to say what we want. Kenny, FORSHO and now you wanted to spout off, as all of you have the right to do, and I, in turn, have the right to respond. You'll notice that everybody else that has asked a question gets a nice answer, accurate to the best of my ability.

I can shit-sling if I wish and if you don't like it you have the ability to not pull up this post anymore. All the information about correct part numbers, as I was trying to convey, is posted at the very top and you don't have to scroll down any further.

Please don't interpret my mere 5 posts as not having any knowledge, so by saying "We have the experience, you don't" is an ASSumption based exactly on.....???????.

I eagerly await your response.

 

[SHO92]

danohall:
"FWIW, companies don't last long if they consistently put out incorrect information in their catalogs, so I think your "the books have been wrong on many occasions" is stretching the truth considerably, especially a company like Moog. Let's see...listing the wrong part numbers since the Taurus came out...gee that's only since 1986!!! How could they do that and not have anybody straighten them out!!! WOW.

I don't really care about the CC part numbers, but you do realize that many companies make mistakes in their catalogs right? The company that made your SHO lists wrong part numbers all the time. The caliper bracket for the 96 brake upgrade just recently recieved the wrong part number in the computers with the release of the Gen 4 Taurus. I went to Pep Boys last month and they gave me the wrong rotors and pads for the rear brakes, it was listed incorrectly in the computer when I asked for 92 brakes. It happens all the time, FWIW. I'm kinda curious to see what the correct numnbers are. Gen 1 springs should fit the Gen 2 and vice versa, Eibachs and Intrax only come in 1 type for both gens.

<small>[ January 12, 2004, 03:39 PM: Message edited by: SHO92 ]</small>

 

[RoadWarrior]

danohall:
"We Will See".

Take it for what you want Kenny. You were one of the ones that were majorly confused as to what the correct part numbers were in the prior posts so do what you may with the info.

FWIW, companies don't last long if they consistently put out incorrect information in their catalogs, so I think your "the books have been wrong on many occasions" is stretching the truth considerably, especially a company like Moog. Let's see...listing the wrong part numbers since the Taurus came out...gee that's only since 1986!!! How could they do that and not have anybody straighten them out!!! WOW.

I got these part numbers by getting off my *** and going to 2...that's two... different auto parts stores and looking through different years of Moog catalogs myself. After seeing all the confusion and wrong part numbers passed around, I figured it was the least I could do.

859's are listed as Gen II rears. They have a free height of 14.5". The 839's you supposedly have coming are listed as Gen I rears and have a free height of 15.38", as per the "database". I can give you all the other dimensions of the 859's if you want, since they are not listed in the database.

The wagon 857 rears have a free height of 9". You do the math.

Welp, I went out an measured my cc859's and they are the height he says and look similar to what's currently mounted on the car, so it looks like they're most likely not a wagon spring So I gotta lean towards agreeing with him

RW

 

[danohall]

SHO92, I do realize companies can make mistakes in their catalog. Good companies correct their mistakes and don't carry them forward year after year. Since the Taurus has been in production since 86, I think the chances of MOOG being wrong on these particular part numbers are pretty much nil. They're selling cargo coils to way more people than us SHO freeks and have been for years. As far as being curious as to what the correct part numbers really are....scroll up to the first post...they're listed there See...I do have a sense of humor.

 

[danohall]

Khiser0001/Kevin,

I'm back home now and have my brains in front of me.

Regarding the bushings. Go to the fellow SHO website SuperHighOutput.com. They have a "parts database" menu that contains pretty much everything you probably want to know regarding Moog part numbers for all the bushings needed when you have the car torn apart. They did have a typo in one part number but I sent them an email and that's been corrected now. I printed out the list for my 95 and sat down with the Moog catalogs (they have pics which helps quite a bit) and verified all the part numbers. I did find one typo but like I said that's been fixed.

About the only parts they don't list there that I got were the strut bellows (rubber that covers the strut rods). Part numbers for my Gen II are Moog K6595 for Rear and K7296 for front. For some reason the Gen I's list K7296 for front and
rears.

I hope that gives you all the info you need. If not give me a hollar.

 

[NotSoSlowSHO]

Here we go...

danohall:
You'll notice that everybody else that has asked a question gets a nice answer, accurate to the best of my ability.

Okay...
Go reread my original post.

I did not state that you were incorrect. I only said that when I have the other set of springs in hand I will know for sure.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

And the response I got?
Well, about the equivelant equivalent of a royal a$$ reaming. And gee, now Im 'clueless'

Thanks.

danohall:
Please don't interpret my mere 5 posts as not having any knowledge.

You do the same for others, and we are all set.

danohall:
I eagerly await your response.

Nice attitude.
REAL mature, as is the majority of your posts. (kidding)