Kilty423
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Whats the best one to get and where? I heard the fel pro ones are garbage....
camshaft seals
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Kilty423
Sho-fer
nvm got my answer..shonutperformance i guess is the place to go
1993MTXSHO
Its a Taurus...
direct from ford. go to your local dealer and order them
SASHO91
Zoom Zoom
P#- 1213N
http://www.oreillyauto.com/EW3/Prod...d=1195419830863&cycleCount=1182¤tPage=0
While im not stating that you cannot get the cam seals from Ford, I have yet to find any dealer with them. The seals I listed above work flawlessly, and they are $6 a seal... $4 cheaper than Ford seals (if they exsit..
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http://www.oreillyauto.com/EW3/Prod...d=1195419830863&cycleCount=1182¤tPage=0
While im not stating that you cannot get the cam seals from Ford, I have yet to find any dealer with them. The seals I listed above work flawlessly, and they are $6 a seal... $4 cheaper than Ford seals (if they exsit..
)
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P#- 1213N
While im not stating that you cannot get the cam seals from Ford, I have yet to find any dealer with them. The seals I listed above work flawlessly, and they are $6 a seal... $4 cheaper than Ford seals (if they exsit..
The 1213N seal is a plain steel cased seal, not like the rubber coated steel case found on the original OEM seal. Rubber coated seals are used throughout the SHO engine. That said, the 1213N apparently works, and should be installed using anerobic sealant. The OEM Ford seals can be ordered by any dealer, and most will be able to get them within a day, two days maximum. There is no shipping charge. These seals are the original high quality made in Japan seal that was installed on your SHO engine when it was new. The price is about $10. You can decide for yourself if the few extra dollars are worth it, for me the peace of mind is definitely worth it considering the labor involved in changing a seal. I will use the OEM seals until they are no longer available, and then I'll switch to the 1213N. As for the Felpro seals, they are the correct rubber coated construction, but they are slightly dimensionally different from the OEM seals. On my car, they worked on the front two cam positions, but kept destroying themselves on the rearmost position. The OEM seal fixed that problem. When you install the rubber coated seal, be sure to put a thin coat of RTV around the outer perimeter as instructed in the FSM. Lubricate the sealing surface with grease or assembly ****. Do not let the seal get crooked as it is going in, that can cause a failure.
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SASHO91
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They allready have an anerobic sealent on them.
And yes rubber coated seals are used throughout the SHO motor... however, how many times have you smelled burning oil from a SHO or find oil in plug wells?
And yes rubber coated seals are used throughout the SHO motor... however, how many times have you smelled burning oil from a SHO or find oil in plug wells?
Racer X
SHO Pilot, Retired
As with anything rubber, in time it will harden and deteriorate. And leak.
On the 1213N, the anaerobic sealant that comes on the seal from the factory sucks, and will leak in short order.
Ask me how I know.
You'd do well to use your own anaerobic sealant, or to use a quality RTV sealant during installation to prevent future leaks.
SASHO91
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How short of time are you talking here? I replaced a set in my buddies ATX atleast 5k ago... and all is well there (no RTV). And mine have been doing just fine, allthough I only have a few hundred miles on them.
sdpatt
Sr. SHO Engr.
The OEM set of camshaft seals is the Fel-Pro TCS45870. I have verified on many occasions the seals installed at the factory are identical to the black rubber covered seals in the Fel-Pro set. The National 1213N seals are coated steel on the outer diameter, but they use the same style of spring loaded rubber on the shaft sealing surface as the Fel-Pro camshaft and crankshaft seals.
Kilty423
Sho-fer
Ok so what is preferred to use then? If the local ford dealer doesnt have them, i should order from o'reilys or the ones from shonut?
RAYJAY
WHO ME ?
the felpro's are fine just rvt like the manual says to the outer part of the seal and let the rvt dry.
Jeff
Kilty423
Sho-fer
Ah ok just needed opinions. Planning on doing front 60k this spring.
sdpatt
Sr. SHO Engr.
My opinion is to use the Fel-Pro set and hold the silicone.
As mush as I respect sdpatt's opinions, I have to say that is risky with what Felpro is shipping today. They fit too loose in the housing, and the FSM recommended RTV is necessary to assure they stay put.
Once again, any dealer can order the Ford OEM cam seal, part number E9DZ-6700-A, and have them in 24-48 hours.
For goodness sake, don't ask them to look it up, just give 'em the number. Or you can order them for a good price at shonutperformance.com and have them in about a week.
RAYJAY
WHO ME ?
on the Felpro seals what problems is every one having?? I had the OEM seals push out if I did not RVT them in place
93rev2sev
SHO Member
On the Felpro seals:
I just installed a set and the middle one got a little crooked. The result was that the rubber surround got damamged and now I have to replace it. They seem to fit fine and all, I just didn't pay close enough attention while installing...Autozone has the Timkin 1213N in stock so I'll be grabbing one of those up tonight to replace the damaged Felpro. I'll be using Loctite Anaerobic Gasket Maker.
I just installed a set and the middle one got a little crooked. The result was that the rubber surround got damamged and now I have to replace it. They seem to fit fine and all, I just didn't pay close enough attention while installing...Autozone has the Timkin 1213N in stock so I'll be grabbing one of those up tonight to replace the damaged Felpro. I'll be using Loctite Anaerobic Gasket Maker.
I replaced mine with god knows what but they are lasting just fine.. no leaks at all and i know they didnt come from the ford dealer.. and i didnt use RTV.. I replaced them Just because i had that side of the motor torn down.. the stock ones werent even leaking at 100K miles..
Some are better at rollin the dice than other's.
I remember Matt's car was fine for 9 miles or so, then the camshaft seal blew out.
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