Brisk Multipoint spark plugs

[Sharpcoolman]

Hey guys starting to get a performance package together (single parts at a time) little by little as life and Bills allow. But my next purchase I am looking at getting materials for improved ignition. I am looking at improved coils and spark plugs not just for performance but I am getting a rough idle anyway (108,00 Mi on the plugs and coils originals from the factory). The coils I am purchasing are the MSD coils. The plugs are the Brisk multi spark racing Spark plugs specifically the RR15ZS part number. Will this set up be too hot for a currently stock factory tune? Will they be too hot or too cold for a custom tune? Will the multi spark plugs help get better fuel fixture burn. Advice, experience, any comments welcome. Here is the link to plugs https://www.briskracing.com/brisk-p...mium-multi-spark-rr15zs-spark-plug-433-detail

 

[SaveMelMac]

Honestly I would stick with the motorcraft plugs. COP ignition systems are pretty efficient today. I’ve seen some mixed results with the msd stuff, but most people seem to be pretty happy. There seems to be little issue with the motorcraft plugs where the brisk there is more of an unknown how they will work in the long run.

 

[Sharpcoolman]

Honestly I would stick with the motorcraft plugs. COP ignition systems are pretty efficient today. I’ve seen some mixed results with the msd stuff, but most people seem to be pretty happy. There seems to be little issue with the motorcraft plugs where the brisk there is more of an unknown how they will work in the long run.

I was interested in these plugs because they are exotic and brisk has a reputation of making pretty good plugs I am the kind of guy that will try something just because it is different.

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

LOL, you must've read my post or something, LOL.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/how-to-change-plugs-trying-out-brisk-spark-plugs.141964/

I just went with their Silver Racing plugs and went with 2 steps colder than OEM a 12 series. That 15 series you are going with is a heat range 6 which is OEM...I'd at least go to a 14 series which is closer to a heat range 7. I was looking at he multi-point and the tuning shop that turned me onto Brisk says to stick with their Silver Racing series. That multi point is not gap-able and hopefully would not get blown out by the higher boost our vehicles produce. If you notice it says for mild boosted applications. I would think these are geared more towards high output NA engines. The Silvers are more traditional in that you can gap them as needed, but they are meant to be changed a bit more frequently than iridium's.

I haven't gotten it on the road yet, so it remains to be seen how it performs...

 

[Sharpcoolman]

LOL, you must've read my post or something, LOL.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/how-to-change-plugs-trying-out-brisk-spark-plugs.141964/

I just went with their Silver Racing plugs and went with 2 steps colder than OEM a 12 series. That 15 series you are going with is a heat range 6 which is OEM...I'd at least go to a 14 series which is closer to a heat range 7. I was looking at he multi-point and the tuning shop that turned me onto Brisk says to stick with their Silver Racing series. That multi point is not gap-able and hopefully would not get blown out by the higher boost our vehicles produce. If you notice it says for mild boosted applications. I would think these are geared more towards high output NA engines. The Silvers are more traditional in that you can gap them as needed, but they are meant to be changed a bit more frequently than iridium's.

I haven't gotten it on the road yet, so it remains to be seen how it performs...

Lol I was looking all over for the racing plugs on the existing threads and couldn’t find any. You wouldn’t consider our car’s as mild boost? Actually brisk just got back with me and told me they discontinued the 15 series so looks like I am looking at the 14 series multi spark slightly higher than the 15’s

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

Stock boost is around 10 or 11 psi if I recall correctly and an average tune shop will bump that up anywhere between 13 and 18. I'm gonna say I wouldn't call it mildly boosted but I guess it's all a matter of perspective. I mean, it's not like they WOULDN'T work. Wouldn't hurt to try em out and report back to us on your experiences. My objective for my application is to see if I can squeeze a bit more timing out of the tune...

 

[Sharpcoolman]

Stock boost is around 10 or 11 psi if I recall correctly and an average tune shop will bump that up anywhere between 13 and 18. I'm gonna say I wouldn't call it mildly boosted but I guess it's all a matter of perspective. I mean, it's not like they WOULDN'T work. Wouldn't hurt to try em out and report back to us on your experiences. My objective for my application is to see if I can squeeze a bit more timing out of the tune...

Lol I was looking all over for the racing plugs on the existing threads and couldn’t find any. You wouldn’t consider our car’s as mild boost? Actually brisk just got back with me and told me they discontinued the 15 series so looks like I am looking at the 14 series multi spark slightly higher than the 15’s

Stock boost is around 10 or 11 psi if I recall correctly and an average tune shop will bump that up anywhere between 13 and 18. I'm gonna say I wouldn't call it mildly boosted but I guess it's all a matter of perspective. I mean, it's not like they WOULDN'T work. Wouldn't hurt to try em out and report back to us on your experiences. My objective for my application is to see if I can squeeze a bit more timing out of the tune...

When you say timing “get more timing out of my tune” what do you mean? I always thought the trick was fire the spark right at Top dead center or ever so slightly after top dead center? Also look more into brisk website their evo plug looks like a good option Along with regular iridium sand silver plugs. They have spark plug specifically for forced induction cars but not in a size compatible with the 3.5 Ecoboost. What improvements have you seen with the silver plugs anything noticeable or noteworthy?

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

When you say timing “get more timing out of my tune” what do you mean? I always thought the trick was fire the spark right at Top dead center or ever so slightly after top dead center? Also look more into brisk website their evo plug looks like a good option Along with regular iridium sand silver plugs. They have spark plug specifically for forced induction cars but not in a size compatible with the 3.5 Ecoboost. What improvements have you seen with the silver plugs anything noticeable or noteworthy?

As I mentioned, I just put them in yesterday, and im doing alot of work to the car right now, so haven't driven it. I'll give feedback when I get it on the road.

As for timing...the more you advance spark, the more power you can make, but it's a fine line, you can go to far and start getting knock. Alot of things contribute to being able to advance timing. Fuel octane, combustion chamber design, compression ratio, spark plug heat range, etc. You can go too cold of a plug too and then plugs will foul because its not burning off properly...so there is a "butter zone" that you need to find. Im attempting to go a bit cooler so that I can squeeze a bit more power, if it's there.

Iridiums are really just for longevity. It doesn't conduct as good as copper, so in the old days, most people would switch to a copper equivalent of their plug to get a bit better performance at the cost of changing plugs more often. Iridiums came around to get to those 100K mile intervals so people wouldn't have to do maintenance as much. I'm probably oversimplifying this, but you get the point.

But yes, they have a lot of options and I don't have a lot of personal experience with Brisk, this is just an experiment. Ive got a local tuning shop that swears by them. He doesn't tune ecoboosts, but does a lot of high HP GTRs, Evos, CTS-Vs, TrackHawks that all are killer and that's all he uses are the Silver Racing plugs...so what the ****, right? Lol.

 

[Sharpcoolman]

As I mentioned, I just put them in yesterday, and im doing alot of work to the car right now, so haven't driven it. I'll give feedback when I get it on the road.

As for timing...the more you advance spark, the more power you can make, but it's a fine line, you can go to far and start getting knock. Alot of things contribute to being able to advance timing. Fuel octane, combustion chamber design, compression ratio, spark plug heat range, etc. You can go too cold of a plug too and then plugs will foul because its not burning off properly...so there is a "butter zone" that you need to find. Im attempting to go a bit cooler so that I can squeeze a bit more power, if it's there.

Iridiums are really just for longevity. It doesn't conduct as good as copper, so in the old days, most people would switch to a copper equivalent of their plug to get a bit better performance at the cost of changing plugs more often. Iridiums came around to get to those 100K mile intervals so people wouldn't have to do maintenance as much.

But yes, they have a lot of options and I don't have a lot of personal experience with Brisk, this is just an experiment. Ive got a local tuning shop that swears by them. He doesn't tune ecoboosts, but does a lot of high HP GTRs, Evos, CTVs, TrackHawks that all are killer and that's all he uses are the Silver Racing plugs...so what the ****, right? Lol.

Cool looks like there is so much more to getting HP and twerks than I thought.

 

[SM105K]

Cool looks like there is so much more to getting HP and twerks than I thought.

Haha and that is just spark plugs and COPS.......

 

[Sharpcoolman]

Haha and that is just spark plugs and COPS.......

It’s getting deep feel like a kindergartener in calculus

 

[High on Ethanol]

Modern day engines are so well optimized, its tough to beat the factory designs unless you are throwing money at it using an excavator. Think about this for an example, i wasted over half a grand just on a transmission fluid experiment. Ford makes as good or better transmission fluid than aftermarket offerings. Also factory air box beats out that aftermarket. Factory coils are very close to MSD, with msd having a slight edge.

 

[Sharpcoolman]

Modern day engines are so well optimized, its tough to beat the factory designs unless you are throwing money at it using an excavator. Think about this for an example, i wasted over half a grand just on a transmission fluid experiment. Ford makes as good or better transmission fluid than aftermarket offerings. Also factory air box beats out that aftermarket. Factory coils are very close to MSD, with msd having a slight edge.

I had no idea the coils were comparable or that trans fluid was better or almost as good as AMSOIL. I am a big AMSOIL fan and dealer and in my daily driver I can attest to Amsoil’s extended drain intervals and long term protection. You are probably right though their goal is better mileage and that means as far as combustion is concerned they get as much out of it as possible (for the money)

 

[Sharpcoolman]

Does more spark plug gap mean more or less heat? And as far as tuning do I want more or less heat?

 

[High on Ethanol]

All ofthe information is out there. People have thrown cash at it.

I was trying to reduce drivetrain loss by switching to amsoil trans fluid and it made no difference. Then I researched it(hindsight) and discovered ford basically makes the same thing.

 

[Sharpcoolman]

All ofthe information is out there. People have thrown cash at it.

I was trying to reduce drivetrain loss by switching to amsoil trans fluid and it made no difference. Then I researched it(hindsight) and discovered ford basically makes the same thing.

Supposedly some company makes carbon fiber driveshaft for set hellcats supposedly reducing drive line lose by making a carbon fiber drive shaft and making it one piece instead of two let power lost in rotational mass and in driveline flex. Maybe a good way to improve the Taurus power loss.

 

[High on Ethanol]

Supposedly some company makes carbon fiber driveshaft for set hellcats supposedly reducing drive line lose by making a carbon fiber drive shaft and making it one piece instead of two let power lost in rotational mass and in driveline flex. Maybe a good way to improve the Taurus power loss.

The taurus power loss is from converting power 90 degrees, before converting it 90 degrees.

A PTU eliminator kit would put the SHO deep into the 10s. But ill catch a lot of hate for saying that.

 

[Sharpcoolman]

The taurus power loss is from converting power 90 degrees, before converting it 90 degrees.

A PTU eliminator kit would put the SHO deep into the 10s. But ill catch a lot of hate for saying that.

Would a fwd only set up make the sho a bit quicker? Lighter weight if you just delete everything for rear wheel driveline.

 

[Ecoboost_xsport]

Would a fwd only set up make the sho a bit quicker? Lighter weight if you just delete everything for rear wheel driveline.

Some might argue that it could be faster. Would be an interesting experiment. I've felt that, from a dig/quarter-mile perspective, with all else being equal, the AWD (although it isn't full-time AWD) might actually be faster, as it is definitely doing it's AWD thing off the line, helping to get that 60' time down. And that portion of a drag race is critical to ETs.

 

[High on Ethanol]

Would a fwd only set up make the sho a bit quicker? Lighter weight if you just delete everything for rear wheel driveline.

Lighter weight, way less drivetrain loss