Best 96 brake upgrade kit?

[Mr Anonymous]

Yikes! Nothin' like resurrecting an 8-month-old topic! eek!

Theres been literally hundreds (if not thousands) of posts about brake upgrades, the various options, which options are best for which uses, etc. Try running a search, you'd be amazed at the knowledgebase of information we've accumulated here!

<small>[ December 12, 2002, 12:37 AM: Message edited by: SHOooo ]</small>

 

[Tom L]

Yikes! Nothin' like resurrecting an 8-month-old topic!

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Try running a search, you'd be amazed at the knowledgebase of information we've accumulated here!

I already know the specifics about which year pads and the such, I just need to know about the issues I specifically post about above. Can anyone help me out????? Thanks,

Tom

 

[RStalveyARFF]

that's 109 a rotor. Powerslot is extremely expensive. do a search on the forum for TCE or SHOstopper . TCE makes the wilwood kit, and they are called the SHOstopper kit. I don't remember his site off hand, but it is lurking around.

 

[Tom L]

thanks 91mtx, I found their site:
http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/brakeSHO.html

but it seems like he's recommending AGAINST the wilwood rotors?

Wilwood Performance Rotors: A bit of a mis-nomer in our mind, these rotors are more eye candy appeal than true performance. They offer a drilled and slotted and pre plated version of the 12.2" size rotor. Available as straight vaned or standard only, they are extremely light weight, good looking and affordable. We do not however consider them to be a rotor suited to extended track use. Fine for drag racers who have their cars on a diet or those on the show circuits.

I checked out wilwood's site: http://www.wilwood.com/products/rotors/rotors.asp
and those "key elements" they list seem to be the key elements in a performance rotor, and if they address all those I don't see why they'd be more of an "eye candy appeal" than a true performance rotor?

Does anyone know how much these are by the way? The TCE site doesn't list a price on those. Thanks!

Tom

 

[luigisho]

Tom, Todd from TCE is a pretty cool guy, posts here from time to time, and worked at Bondurant IIRC. I've e-mailed him more offbeat questions than yours and gotten good replies, so maybe you should shoot him an email to get his thoughts about what you're looking for.

<small>[ December 12, 2002, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: luigisho ]</small>

 

[NorthernSHO]

DO NOT use 95 pads on teh 96 upgrade...I do not care who has done it and who says it will work. The pad for the 96 brake is larger than the 95 pad...and the 95 pad will shift some in the bracket.[/QB][/QUOTE]

I have put about 25,000 miles on my 96 brake upgrade that is using 94-95 pads. No problems here so far. I had a set left over so I decided I might as well use them. I will however get 96-99 pads when these ones wear out. I your going to upgrade the brakes you might as well get the correct pad...except in my case but I was just being cheap and didn't want to waste the pads I had.

Brett

 

[megaplay]

Quick question. Just to make sure is this upgrade avaiable for the front and back or just back. Also can the factory slicers be used with this upgrade. Thanks.

 

[RStalveyARFF]

this is a front only upgrade, and slicers are still able to be used, although 15" wheels will no longer fit.

 

[Tom L]

I sent him a long email and this is all I got back a few hours ago:

I'll have to stop you short on this one. I don't do anything for the 3G SHO.
Todd

But it would've came too late anyways. I had to get the Bendix stuff from AAP since nobody even had Raybestos! Oh and is there a tutorial anywhere (site of forum thread?) on the doing the '96 upgrade? I think I've got a down but you can never beat a step-by-step tutorial. Thanks!

Tom

 

[Todd TCE]

My appologies if you feel put off by my reply, but I could see little reason for going into a long talk about products I don't carry for your car. If I cannot speak of it first hand then my info is of little help.

You have some serious confusion about all of this and what my kits do and don't do so let's clear it up some.

First, I don't do the 3G car. Just not enough of a market for it. I've kicked it around over and over and for now that's my position. Get a number of folks together and I'll look into it more.

The Wilwood rotors and others you may find for kits such as what I buuild will NOT fit the SHO in any manner. They are a TWO piece design for racing applications. That's why you don't find a listing for them anywhere. Looking at pics of any of my kits on the web site you should be able to see that they are not stock rotors. How much are they? They run between $65 and 120 dollars each. But they don't fit your car so what does it matter?

The differences between the 96 upgrade and my SHO Stoppers is off the chart. Not in performance alone (not everyone wants the same thing) but just the parts alone are completely NON interchangable.

As of the Performance rotors from Wilwood, I'll stand by my comments; Great sex appeal, and looks for the street. Not for serious track use- especially on a heavy car like the SHO. I've used them with good results (thus far) on the Focus, but considering it's 1000lbs lighter that helps a bit. Wiilwood offers them on their street kits just like I do, but does not recommend them for all out track use.

My suggestion; slow down, re read all the info on each of the brake options, don't shop the "who has the cheapest" route, look carefully at pics, talk to folks who have each of the options for brake kits and make a decision that best meets your needs.

Lastly, I don't stock any of the rotors, pads etc. etc. that you are asking about for ANY of the STOCK calipers or 96 parts so I cannot comment good or bad on any of this stuff.

<small>[ December 13, 2002, 08:45 AM: Message edited by: Todd TCE ]</small>

 

[Tom L]

Hi Todd, I am just a little confused because in the beginning of this thread you see people talking about your kits, and the topic of this thread is '96 brake upgrade? And just recently I was recommended to you. Did you stop making the gen3 brakes or were people just confused and thought you made them? hehe, it's ok though.

As far as the Wilwood brakes, I'd still like to know by what facts on their product you're judgements of them are based on? I mean I wouldn't trust any mfr. based on what THEY say, but I'd like to see something that proves their inferiority to another product as well.

Maybe I was misleading in my "needing ASAP'ness", lol, but I didn't just jump into the cheapest route otherwise I would've gotten those parts stores offer for $20/rotor and $20/set of pads! I've done the research on this lightly over the past year, but started going over all the options in more details the past couple of weeks. I was ultimately wanting the Raybestes Brute Stops but they don't make'm for the gen3, even though it's recommended on v8sho.com in a few places. But a lot of people have given the Bendix pads good reviews, and AAP had'm in stock along with the Bendix rotors so I didn't really feel TOO bad going that cheap route, since I feel the priceerformance ratio on those weren't too bad. Thanks!

Tom

 

[Todd TCE]

Last post here for now.

The term 96 Upgrade is used to fit the 3G brakes on the 1 and 2G cars. So folks are speaking of the use of YOUR brakes on their car thus the debate between what makes the 'best' kit or upgrade for a car.

As for the rotors, my opinions are based on some common sense and seeing drilled brakes fail in extreme use. Most people won't monitor their condition and wait for the cracks to get large, then it's a major issue. I don't believe that Wilwood even endorses these rotor for more than light vehicles and street applications as do I. Yes, I've used them where I shouldn't but that up to me.

 

[kaoticSHO]

I own both the Baer PBR Track II and Wilwood brakes. TCE's (Todd) setup are MUCH better in my opinion. Now that I have gotten TCE's latest Wilwood Billet Superlite 6, the gap widens further. So much that when I get my supercharged car back the Baer's are coming off and the Wilwood's will be taking their place.

 

[Tom L]

DougLee25:
Supposedly Napa's part number for the 96 SHO front caliper brackets is BK 6751579. The price is $26.99. Better than 50 to 60 bucks from the dealer.

I guess I'm the first person that's tried these. THEY DON'T WORK!! @#$%#!@! NAPA!!! It's the same bracket as the non-SHO!!! Go to napa's website, and select your car with the SHO engine, and then with the OHV, it's the same freakin part number!!! Why do I always have to find out these things the hard way? I do my research (which was here where I found these brackets), I take my time,

We were supposed to have been leaving for TX tomrrow too, hopefully my dealer will have them in stock. Can NAPA LEGALLY get away with something like this? I mean this is turned out to be a HUGE inconvenience for us. My dealer probably won't have them in stock so I will have to wait another day to leave. Oh well.

If anyone has this part # on reference for the correct caliper brackets PLEASE remove it ASAP so somebody else doesn't have to go through this too. Damn Napa. Oh well, thanks,

Tom

 

[Deaks2]

With the 1996 upgrade (Using 1995 Continental parts on my car) will I be able to use the 15" LX wheels I currently use for winter tires?

Or is this a 16" only proposition?

 

[olympic]

Nope, 96 brakes require 16" wheels.

 

[Tom L]

There seems to be some discrepencies with Ford's part number(s) for these caliper brackets. I posted about it over here: http://www.shoforum.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=19;t=000481#00001496 Caliper Bracket?</a>, so I figured I'd comment on it here, in case someone who might be able to help me out reads this thread in this forum instead of the other one. That's also more on topic for that thread so figured it might help organize things a bit to help eliminate these confusions (if Ford only didn't change their P/N's so much!!). Thanks guys!

Tom

 

[Todd TCE]

Tom,

You know, I don't mean to beat on you but there is a reason why people purchase parts from a dealer and don't always go shopping the Best price. Some day you guys will learn there is a value to paying more for items that have proven to be correct and fit.

Don't know you but don't panic, it hits you at about 30-35 years old. By then you've learned some of this foolishness just isn't worth all the hassle. Be patient.

 

[1fastsho]

Thank you Todd...I have been telling people thatfor years and there are few who actually follow that rule.

the 95 pads can shift in the brackets..I have seen it happen and it will casue the car to **** one direction or another under hard braking. This is why I do not reccomend the 95 pads in the 96 brackets.

I have the Baer 13" kit and as soon as I can scrape up the money I am going after the 6 piston kit from Todd.....even the older 4 piston kit he has in the 12(or 12.5") size kicked the crap out of my Baers.