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My Battery light on my dash is very dim
once in a while it goes bright
it started when i detailed it two months ago
had to boost it once or twice but it never stalled out on me
wondering what it is?
my mechanic said my alternator is charging and he tested it
 

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2 options in your case:

1- Grey connector at the alt is loose/corroded.

if not , go to step 2.

2-Replace or rebuild the alternator. If it's ok now , it may go bad tomorrow , one thing is sure , it WILL go bad.

Advice: Dont buy it at NAPA. Best results when rebuilt in a alt/starter shop.
 

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Mine did the same thing, the bolt is backing off of the grey alternator wire (on the driver's side of the alternator, make sure the wire isn't torched and then snug that bolt up. oh, and make sure the crimp is still good. (+)
 

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Start where the first post. My did the same thing. But we started on the body ground, what we found was it had a bad gound and the post to the neg was broke fixed it and runs great now.
 

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now today it wouldn't start could be because its cold up here in ny
its in the shop now and my mechanic is a wiz kid so we will see what happens
 

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if that light was on it wasn't charging good (most likely, correct me if I'm wrong) so the battery probably just went dead. Be careful if you don't know the mechanic very well.
 

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the light means that the voltage of the alt did not equal the voltage of the battery. Usually this means the alt isn't putting out ~12v.
 

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my starter was shorted and it drained the battery
when we hooked up the starter to a battery out of the shop we had a low cost welding machine the way it was sparking
 

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Last time my starter wouldn't disengage was about 10 seconds after having my oil changed at a SHOP, yay for electrical fires....needless to say they spilled oil all over it when they removed the filter.

I do my own oil changes now.
 

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i just did a little test to check what the light is
while the car was on i disconnected the alternator the dim light went out
i reconnected it and the light went back on
the alternator is charging though
 

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I have a dim alternator light at idle. If revs drop below 700 it gets quite a bit brighter. As they rise past 950, it dissapears completely.

It's been like that ever since I replaced the alternator and battery over 4 years ago. I figure as long as the light goes off at 950RPM like it's been for all this time, it's fine. I guess it's just calibrated a little on the low side...maybe to improve longevity(like I said, it's been good for 4 years...I've never had a battery issue with it).

I think you have a wireing issue, though. I would scuff up/clean all the contacts associated with the charging system:
Battery Posts
Grounds
Alternator connectors
Put everything back on using dielectric grease.
 

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Guys, that light is a very, very simple system. Ingeniously simple. It works like this.

Every light bulb has two ends: an end that has voltage, and an end that has no voltage. This is how 99% of light bulbs are wired: Power source, and ground. As long as the source has voltage, electrons flow, and the light lights up.

The battery light is different. It has two sources - one end is the alternator output and the other end is the battery output. If the alternator is doing its job, it is charging the battery to 12-14 volts. This means the alternator output is ~13 volts, and the battery output (since it's being charged by the alternator) is also ~13 volts. Since the two power sources are putting out equal voltages, they cancel each other out (think sound canceling headphones), and no electrons flow, and the light doesn't light up.

Now, the charging system is very simple... there are only a very few things that can go wrong. Either a.)the alternator isn't putting out enough (or nothing at all), b.)the alternator is putting out too much, or c.)the battery is not accepting the voltage that the alternator is producing. I will map out these three situations for you.

a.) There are a few reasons the alternator isn't putting out voltage. Some of the more common reasons are that the belt broke or is slipping (it happens more often than you'd think!), the voltage regulator ate the dust, the diode pack broke, or the brushes have worn out. In any case, keeping in mind the two-power-sources scenario I talked about earlier, that means that now one of the power sources isn't supplying as much power as the (12 volt) battery. Think arm-wrestling people - if both people are equally strong, the arms will stay up, but if one is stronger, then... well, anyway, you get the picture. That light now has one power source (the battery) and one ground (the dead alt). Electrons flow, and the bulb lights up.

b.) Now this failure is less common than A is, but I've seen it happen. The regulator can short out internally, and allow unregulated DC voltage into the system. I've seen alternators put as much as 18-20 volts into the system. Again, we'll recall the arm-wrestling scenario - since one "arm" is stronger than the other, voltage will flow, and the light bulb will light up. And your battery will blow up if left uncorrected for long! Man, if there is one thing you do NOT want happening, it's your battery blowing up...

c.) I'm sure you can spot the trend by now. A dead (or dying) battery means that it's not accepting the voltage that the alternator's putting out. If the battery is only taking 8 or 9 volts, then you will get 3 or 4 volts' differential through the bulb, and it will light up.

SO! Basically, what that all means is, if your battery light is lighting up, then I'd say there's about a 60% chance that your alternator is dead or dying, a 30% chance your battery is dead or dying, and a 10% chance that your alternator is putting out too much voltage.

Now, if your light is on at idle, but very, very dim, then that most likely means that your alternator is functioning within spec, but you have a very strong battery! If you have UDPs you will run into this situation a lot. I have UDPs, and at idle and a few loads my alt is only capable of putting out ~11.5 volts. Since I have a cheap battery, it's discharging equally so I don't get a light. But, when I had my red top in there, the light would glow constantly at idle... it would go away as soon as I tipped the throttle in. Now that I have a tweecer that isn't a problem any more.

I hope this helps some of you understand the charging system! It's really quite simple once you take a hard look at it.
 

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Well, I deleted the that post because I wanted to read what you said(at least twice) before posting a "retort". Like you mentioned, if there is a voltage differential, the light comes on. My light comes on at idle because the alternator is not capable of keeping up with the battery(it's just spinning too slow). That IS simple. Now, if my light were to (one day LONG in the future...knock on wood) stay on over 1000RPM, I would have trouble of the alternator variety. If it went out for a while, then came back on(or came on when I turn the headlights on)...I would know it was battery time.

I think so far we agree.

I think that it's not a "super duper" battery, just a slightly different set of specs on the alternator, rebuilt that keeps my light on at idle.

I was only thinking about how alternators(or any electric motor) are made. one could be built to spin fast and produce X amount of current. Another alternator could be made to produce the same amount of current at a lower RPM, but require more torque. It just depends on the windings and the timing of the magnetic field within the motor(not that I could back that up with the required math and physics...). I just figured that my alternator was rebuilt using different specs and it couldn't produce 13.5 volts until (a very slightly) higher RPM.
 
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I'll go with that. I don't think we're talking about two different things here. If it's only on at idle I wouldn't worry about it. If it's on BRIGHT at idle, then I'd worry.
 

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Dont want to hijack the post, but I have a weird problem here...
about once a week, the battery light come on (very bright)
When this happens, I can see the alt is not charging on my multimeter.

If I wait few hours, the problem is gone.
I have new battery wires (ground and pos) to the starter
I have a new wire from + of starter to the alt.
I replaced the alternator.
Still have the same problem...

If anyone have the wiring diagram of the alt, I would like to see it and check my wires.

Please help :(
 

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Sounds like the three-wire (really only two wires, the middle one isn't used) plug to the alternator is opening up. Check for +12V at both the wires (using the engine as a ground point, or the battery negative) on the outside.

The only other possible solution is that the diode pack in the alternator is going out, but that's unlikely seeing as you have a new alternator.
 

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Sounds like the three-wire (really only two wires, the middle one isn't used) plug to the alternator is opening up. Check for +12V at both the wires (using the engine as a ground point, or the battery negative) on the outside.

The only other possible solution is that the diode pack in the alternator is going out, but that's unlikely seeing as you have a new alternator.

The problem happens once a week.I put the battery charger and wait few hours and it's gone.
And it only happen after several minutes of driving.
 

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