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NEILL93SHO

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My ATX has 8ok on it and works fine (yeah, the 1-2 shift is there once in a while) and i want to prolong the life as best i can. Can anyone give me the procedure for drain/flush/fill the tranny? i noticed the pan has a statement that says something about "not removing"hmmmm. tHANKS FOR ANY INFO GIVEN...
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If you're at 80k, and you've never had a flush done before, doing one now will only screw up the transmission. Sorry.
 

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There was a suggestion on the shotimes mailing list about flushing and using synthetic motor oil. I don't know about the validity of this but supposedly it has all the hydrolic properties of atx fluid in addition to it being a lubricant.

I also can't find any valid info in a quick web search so I'm going to press for details on shotimes and post them back here.

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I have had the car since 60k and really do not know about the tranny maint. that may have been done. what does flushing do that could screw it up? really do not want to do that,

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When I first got my car it had 86k on it. I went to valvoline and got the "T-Tech" for $79.99. When they hooked up the hoses the fluid that came out of my ATX looked like, well, blood. It was nasty to say the least. My car now has a little over 100k and I plan to do it myself this time. Basically all the "T-Tech" does is gather the old fluid while the Transaxle's internal pump sucks in new fluid. I'm thinking I can get two buckets and do it myself. Oh yeah, my ATX shifts great, especially with Ted's LPM. thumbs_u
 

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I changed mine with 120k on the clock.Withing a month the car was in the tranny shop for a full rebuild!
 

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Damn guys, what i am getting out of this is, "do not mess with the tranny fluid". there has to be a reason it would give problems just with a fluid change.
 

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ATX trans fluid has a detergent in it and if you replace the fluid it will restore the "cleaning" properties of the fluid which may cause existing wear to be amplified. Old fluid is usually best left in because it no longer has the new fluid cleaning properties. Unfortunatly, it can loose its hydrolic properties if it gets too old and need replacing so it's a catch-22.

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I got a scan of the page in the TransGO kit that suggests Mobile 1 synthetic oil. They suggest that in lieu of using Synthetic tranny fluid but suggest synth ATF first.

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Long, but what you are looking for:

Credit where credit is due: Olympic shared this method with me and I did it.

Ok Neil, firstly, relax....the gloom and doom these guys are preaching is not the norm (at least not with me). No flames guys, it is just my opinion that at 80,000, it is not always the case that your tranny is going to grenade if you change the fluid. Heck it could grenade if you dont. I also have a 95 atx with 64,000 on it...I got the occasional 1-2 shift as it hunted for 2nd at 7,000 rpm, it could get scary, but never fear. I did the fluid at 64,000 and its at 68,000 now, no problems, no worries.

To answer your question the procedure for the tranny maintenance is as follows:

Drop the tranny pan and replace the filter inside with a new one....sounds horrific, but it is very easy to do, the filter is the only thing you will see when you take the pan off. Tip on removal of pan: loosen the bolts until it starts to leak out out....go get a sandwhich....come back and loosen more and let it leak some more. There are about 8 quarts of fluid in there so be patient. You could drop it all at once, but it is messy.

Once the pan is off, the filter is right there. Pull it out. Make sure the filter sleeve comes out too, mine got stuck. How will you know? the new filter wont fit in the hole. Clean out the pan in your basement sink. there is alot of crap in the pan next to the magnet. Take the magnet off and clean with carb cleaner or rag and patience. Clean pan off so gasket has a good surface to mate too.

Put gasket and pan back on car. Some kits come with two gaskets since there were two auto trannies. AOD and XAOD. Use a star technique for putting the bolts back in: ie: gradually tighten the bolts back on a litte at a time: one on one side, then one on the other. Come back and tighten them all to finish up. Dont get fluid on the gasket.

Ok, now the easy part: once the pan is on, put new fluid into the trans thru that little pipe where the dipstick is. I did the following: 8 quarts came out of pan, so I added 9 quarts back.

Tricky part: locate the trans cooler which is infront of the radiator. It is a smaller radiator about 3 inches tall and 21 inches long. Disconnect the hose on the drivers side of the cooler. Put a piece of hose on the cooler that goes to a bucket for collection of old fluid. Put another section of hose on the hose you just took off the cooler and place that into a bucket containing new fluid. If you are queasy at this point, dont worry, what you are going to do is start the car and the old fluid will leave and be replaced by the new fluid being sucked in from the clean bucket. Just a double check here: start the car then shut it off quickly. This will tell you what hose the dirty fluid will come out of. It should be the hose you just hooked up to the cooler.

Now, there should be about 13 quarts of fluid in the whole system when you started, you drained out 8, so you have about 5 left in the torque converter to get out. What I did was put 6 quarts of fluid in the clean bucket (the very clean bucket) just to make sure it didnt get empty. Allow 7 quarts of fluid to come out of the system: the 5 that are dirty plus one or two for good measure. You can tell when the clean fluid starts to come out of the car. Shut off car. Check fluid level. top off if needed.

I used Mobile 1 Synthetic (4.99 a quart). Many swear by Redline, which is a much better fluid, but has to be ordered online at 7.99 a quart. Purple stuff is cool too. Up to you. If I were to do it again....hmmm might use the purple stuff.
Neat tip: you have all these empty jugs of expensive fluid: take a funnel and put it on one of the jugs. Place an empty jug in the funnel to drain that little bit of fluid. Guys, you would be surprized, but I had a half a quart in that jug by the time all the other jugs drained into it. At 5.00 a quart, that is a quick 2.50 I saved.

Now, you now have new fluid and stuff, stay on top of the maintenance of the tranny (replace every 30,000 miles).

If you still have that 1-2 shift problem (I still did occasionally), get a Ted B chip. I have not had a problem since.

Hope this helps, let us know how it goes.
 

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jcostantino:
There was a suggestion on the shotimes mailing list about flushing and using synthetic motor oil. I don't know about the validity of this but supposedly it has all the hydrolic properties of atx fluid in addition to it being a lubricant.

I also can't find any valid info in a quick web search so I'm going to press for details on shotimes and post them back here.

Jeff
My local FOrd dealer recommended against synthetic ATF. Said they had tried it on a number of Taurus/Windstar vehicles only to have the ATX fail within 9 months. Use at your own risk.

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sounds like a plan....i will do it over the weekendand let you know how it goes... thanks

mike
 

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Sorry I piped in so late I've been at sea for a week. If you dare to listen to some of the recommendations above and haven't changed your oil there will be no need in ever changing it either.

Get your tranny serviced it will not cause it to fail. As a matter of fact it could be the only reason those guys got their trannies to last as long as they did. Also they never indicated how they abused there trannies in the way they drive. Good luck.
 

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Sorry I piped in so late I've been at sea for a week.
God that's cool. Man you have the coolest job.....not the highest paying, but tops me in cool factor.

You have to explain that "hook to steel" thing...As I am an air museum ******, I can only imagine that it has something to do with the catapault launch or the cable hook coming down.

Enlighten me oh SHO guy in the sky.
 

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IVEYSSHO:
You have to explain that "hook to steel" thing...As I am an air museum ******, I can only imagine that it has something to do with the catapault launch or the cable hook coming down.

Enlighten me oh SHO guy in the sky.
Hook to steel is exactly what it means ie arrested landing when your tail hook contacts the steel surface of the carrier deck in order to catch one of four arresting cables acrross the carreir deck. OH and the pays not to shabby either.
 

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IVEYSSHO:
Tricky part: locate the trans cooler which is infront of the radiator. It is a smaller radiator about 3 inches tall and 21 inches long.
Just thought I'd point out that the '93's don't have the secondary tranny coolers from the factory (which is probably a major reason for so many '93 ATX failures, i.e. overheating). All ATX's have an internal tranny cooler built into the radiator, but only the '94/'95's have the secondary cooler mounted in front of the A/C condensor. Look for this when doing your flush, Mike, and trace the lines to the radiator instead.

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Axianator:
IVEYSSHO:
Tricky part: locate the trans cooler which is infront of the radiator. It is a smaller radiator about 3 inches tall and 21 inches long.
Just thought I'd point out that the '93's don't have the secondary tranny coolers from the factory (which is probably a major reason for so many '93 ATX failures, i.e. overheating). All ATX's have an internal tranny cooler built into the radiator, but only the '94/'95's have the secondary cooler mounted in front of the A/C condensor. Look for this when doing your flush, Mike, and trace the lines to the radiator instead.
My 93, which we purchased new in 93, had a transmission cooler from the start. If your car doesn't have one, then there is a problem! Maybe they changed mid-model year. We took delivery of our car in April of 1993.

Note: this isn't my current MTX, but my previous ATX car!
 
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