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darreli

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So I'm wondering if anyone notices anything different in this pic? (Except for a dirty engine compartment....I know Mike is turning over in his squad car right now! I'll try to take care of that tonight)

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Sorry for the small pics....didn't even know how to post pics until today. There is a new reservoir....it's part of my new windshield washer reservoir. The old one is now home to Methanol!

Results are soon to follow...I do know on a conservative tune my hp is up 50 and the torque up 60 ftlbs from my previous best from 5000 to 6200 rpm
 

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Sorry for the small pics....didn't even know how to post pics until today. There is a new reservoir....it's part of my new windshield washer reservoir. The old one is now home to Methanol!

Results are soon to follow...I do know on a conservative tune my hp is up 50 and the torque up 60 ftlbs from my previous best from 5000 to 6200 rpm

SWEET! Now we know what you were doing at Livernois......
 

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Ive never really heard of anything "detrimental". I've never personally used it. I was actually thinking that along with the cooling effect it may help with the carbon build up known to be an issue with the direct injection. Not really sure if that is valid though.

I'm definately not the one to answer this though since I have no previous experience with the stuff. I can say that the more methanol you use the less fuel you need and since we're not really sure how far our fuel system can be pushed its one of the reasons I chose to go this route.

Also cools down your intake air, preventing detonation, and allowing more boost and timing to be ran on pump gas
 

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Ive never heard of any issues with meth injection, one of the local tuners was using a monsterous amount of meth to keep his stock block subaru together, It eventually chucked a bunch of parts anyways but meth did wonders for that car

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I run meth injection on my Cobra and have for 2 years. No issues at all. I ran a 60 meth / 40 water mixture. I never use washer fluid as I don't trust their mixture. My car made 659rwhp / 609ft-lbs at 19psi with just meth, no intercooler. Stuff works awesome.
 

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Ive never really heard of anything "detrimental". I've never personally used it. I was actually thinking that along with the cooling effect it may help with the carbon build up known to be an issue with the direct injection. Not really sure if that is valid though.

I'm definately not the one to answer this though since I have no previous experience with the stuff. I can say that the more methanol you use the less fuel you need and since we're not really sure how far our fuel system can be pushed its one of the reasons I chose to go this route.

Also cools down your intake air, preventing detonation, and allowing more boost and timing to be ran on pump gas

I wouldn't use meth injection as a fuel substitute. When sizing fuel for power requirements, I would definitely size it without meth injection in mind. It will work great, but you may want 2 separate tunes to be able to switch on the fly. Running meth on a good tune that wasn't tuned for it could give you some power loss.

I run meth injection on my Cobra and have for 2 years. No issues at all. I ran a 60 meth / 40 water mixture. I never use washer fluid as I don't trust their mixture. My car made 659rwhp / 609ft-lbs at 19psi with just meth, no intercooler. Stuff works awesome.


Agreed on the washer fluid. I stopped using it as the mixture is never consistant and I have found some brands to eat away my pumps. Most of the time, I just run distilled water and no other source of charge cooling.
 
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I noticed you didn't post anything in regards to your Mobsteel grill....
 

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Any detrimental, long term "issues" by using meth?
Just was curious Darell, if you've used meth previously, or what, if any issues may arise from it's continued use.

And this coming from an ILLINOIS LEO!!!!:angelnot::angelnot::woo-hoo::woo-hoo::woo-hoo:

Darrell gets his Meth from Livernois Labs!!!!!!:munch::munch:

I like the grille!

What's the extra extension tube out of your pipe from intercooler to intake?:dribble:
 

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I wouldn't use meth injection as a fuel substitute. When sizing fuel for power requirements, I would definitely size it without meth injection in mind. It will work great, but you may want 2 separate tunes to be able to switch on the fly. Running meth on a good tune that wasn't tuned for it could give you some power loss.




Agreed on the washer fluid. I stopped using it as the mixture is never consistant and I have found some brands to eat away my pumps. Most of the time, I just run distilled water and no other source of charge cooling.

I don't need 2 tunes, it's tuned for methanol. Not really using methanol as a fuel substitute....
 

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My W/M system uses "boost Juice in Windshield washer tank. It is 49% Methanol to keep it from shipping under hazmat regs. $10.00 per gallon shipped. The most important property of using spray is the cooling effect on the air coming from the intercooler. Methanol has a great cooling effect, though one could also use a 50-50 denatured alcohol mix. I've also tried that with similar good results. Straight windshield washer solution needs to state methanol/methyl alcohol and be good for at least -35 Deg, to have enough menthanol % to work effectively. I also agree that using W/M with stock or good tunes that aren't designed for spray, can decrease performance.

My system is much less sophisticated than Darrells, in that it doesn't use a boost controller, but sprays at full PSI, all the time boost is over 8 PSI. From my extensive reading on this topic, there are both advantages and disadvantages to using a boost controller, because it adds another set of variables to the tuning equation.

Torrie (Unleashed Tuning) is going to offer for sale shortly, the system I have been testing for him. Have no idea on his price. My experiences show that it is possible to gain nearly 1/2 second and 4 mph, over Torrie's non- w/m, boosted tune. You do have to tune your vehicle for the w/m system, however.
 

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some notes about methanol for those wondering. basically comes down to dont drink it, dont huff it, and if you spill a bunch of on the ground, walk away till it evaporates so you dont die in an invisible fire.

One of the potential drawbacks of using high concentrations of methanol (and other alcohols like ethanol) in fuel is its corrosivity to some metals, particularly aluminium. Methanol, although a weak acid, attacks the oxide coating that normally protects the aluminium from corrosion

Methanol has a high toxicity in humans. If ingested, for example, as little as 10 mL of pure methanol can cause permanent blindness by destruction of the optic nerve and 30 ml is potentially fatal[11], although a fatal dose is typically 100–125 mL (4 fl oz) (i.e. 1-2 ml/kg of pure methanol[12]). Toxic effects take hours to start and effective antidotes can often prevent permanent damage.[11] Because of its similarities to ethanol (the alcohol in beverages), it is difficult to differentiate between the two (such is the case with denatured alcohol).

Pure methanol has been used in open wheel auto racing since the mid-1960s. Unlike petroleum fires, methanol fires can be extinguished with plain water. A methanol-based fire burns invisibly, unlike gasoline, which burns with a visible flame. If a fire occurs on the track, there is no flame or smoke to obstruct the view of fast approaching drivers, but this can also delay visual detection of the fire and the initiation of fire suppression. The decision to permanently switch to methanol in American IndyCar racing was a result of the devastating crash and explosion at the 1964 Indianapolis 500 which killed drivers Eddie Sachs and Dave MacDonald.[18] In 2007 IndyCars switched back to ethanol.[19]

Methanol is readily biodegradable in both aerobic (oxygen present) and anaerobic (oxygen absent) environments. Methanol will not persist in the environment. The "half-life" for methanol in groundwater is just one to seven days, while many common gasoline components have half-lives in the hundreds of days (such as benzene at 10–730 days). Since methanol is miscible with water and biodegradable, methanol is unlikely to accumulate in groundwater, surface water, air or soil.
 

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I know a guy in Iowa that is just like Darrell....

He uses "Meth" in his car.... and he has just purchased a new "George Foreman Grille"

I think he keeps both in his trunk, along with a stash of moonshine!
 

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Sorry Yamaha....that didn't really come out the way I wanted it to. I realize you used my post. I'm not substituting methanol for fuel. It's just allowing me to push things a little further with the current fuel system design
 

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Hey darreli,
Where is the nozzle at on your set up? I've had 4 vehicles (down to one now) with meth injection and am pretty experienced with it. I'm just curious as to where you hooked the nozzle and what size tip/jet you are using. And the grille looks bad ass too! :omgsho:
 

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