another: clutch recommendations thread

[DHMag]

The purpose of the quill sleeve is to provide a stable shaft for the TOB to move around on. The numerous and consistent failures of TOBs without the quill sleeve is a result of the aluminum galling on the shaft, not necessarily wear of the TOB. When the shaft galls the TOB doesn't stay well aligned with the PP fingers and starts to wear into them. Many, many people can attest to the stiff pedal and subsequent failure of the PP fingers and TOB.

If at all possible always use the quill sleeve and a compatible TOB.

upon removal of the quill sleeve, TOB/quill fitment felt the same as the factory TOB with quill sleeve installed. also, the TOB i installed had a teflon lining on the inside diameter as well as a few dabs of heavy grease. im not concerned with it failing.

 

[PROPHET]

I have a stock SHOnut clutch with 9lb Fidanza flywheel great for daily driving and occasional rip through the gears.

As for the flywheel i would not recommend if youre stuck in traffic for hours daily and or for those hills they call streets in San Francisco.

 

[shojuan]

Josh does not have any of the cheaper Ford kits anymore. I asked just the other day.

Great. Gotta quit recommending parts to people. I'm never buying a Ford ever again. I don't get rid of cars, I keep them. And having the parts go away just as I start to need them really sucks. F' 'em. They're a bunch of *****. There are plenty of good car manufacturers who still make parts for cars 20, 30 years old and more.

 

[shojuan]

I have a stock SHOnut clutch with 9lb Fidanza flywheel great for daily driving and occasional rip through the gears.

As for the flywheel i would not recommend if youre stuck in traffic for hours daily and or for those hills they call streets in San Francisco.

Quit recommending parts your pal down south needs.

 

[Venom SHO s7]

Ok...so I should buy the ceramic TOB from SHOnut seperate from the one that comes in the autozone clutch kit?

Shoaz : "IMHO a stock clutch will be fine for your application. The updated TOBs that should come with the new kits (if it has a quill sleeve, it's the good one) are fine as far as wear and reliability are concerned."

/\ after i read that, I thought the kits that are now available made it so that you didnt have to buy the TOB seperate. or am I wrong?
I kinda need to get the clutch done this week, which is why im asking so many questions.

 

[shojuan]

If you buy the autozone kit you get a stock style TOB. Basically you just ditch that part and buy a shonut ceramic TOB to use instead. Maybe you can sell kit's TOB on ebay or something.

There's nothing wrong with a revised stock style TOB. It's just that the shonut ceramic is better.

 

[Venom SHO s7]

shojuan: thanks alot for the quick reply. I see what youre saying now.

I was thinking the same ebay idea..

 

[MeShoHorny]

If Josh has to stock disk get it. Also get the ceramic TOB as many have mentioned. Also ask Josh if you can have the HD PP that comes with the fibertuff clutch kit he sells. The HD PP should save your clutch/tranny if you miss a shift and over-rev or when downshifting when you should be up-shifting.

That, my friend, will be the perfect setup for you. Thank me when you have it installed

 

[TYSHO]

The TOB that comes with the AZ kit is fine. If it fails, it's replaced for free. If you buy a different TOB and it fails, you have to buy another one. If your PP fingers are worn down/off, your warranty can, or will, be voided since you did not use the TOB provided. So basically, there's no point in buying a kit with lifetime warranty if you do not use the parts provided.

The TOB's w/quill sleeves come with them for a reason.....to prevent premature failing of parts.


Dale, it's possible that you can switch over to the NU0122RK kit when the time comes for replacement. The kit is an extra $5, so you'll have to pay that. Just explain the reason, then they can refund the 122 kit and use that money towards the 122RK kit. You shouldn't have any problems.

 

[MeShoHorny]

If it was me I would use the ceramic TOB. MY SHO was one of the 1st to have it installed on. When it came out, after 30K, there were very minimal signs of wear on the PP fingers and the face of the TOB. I then sent the TOB back to Josh and it was fully inspected. The Rev. B TOB that I am assuming comes with the AZ is not a bad TOB, but put the Rev. B and Ceramic side by side and you will see a huge diff. in quality. The ceramic bearings are very hard and provide for very smooth clutch action.

Addressing this warranty point: Ask yourself this, how many times do you want to drop the tranny to do a clutch job? For me do it once and do it right.

Scenario: You use the AZ kit and 10k later the clutch dumps its load. Are you jumping for joy knowing that all the parts are covered by a warranty? I think not. Now you have to drop the tranny put the new parts back in and hope for the best.

It' your car and you can do what you want. The cost between the two kits will be negligible. Heed my advice if you will and talk to Josh about the setup I mentioned up-top.

 

[masho95]

The TOB that comes with the AZ kit is fine. If it fails, it's replaced for free. If you buy a different TOB and it fails, you have to buy another one. If your PP fingers are worn down/off, your warranty can, or will, be voided since you did not use the TOB provided.

Just out of curiosity how would they know which TOB you used?

It's probably more than a 90% chance that the AZ TOB will fail before the ceramic TOB does.

 

[TYSHO]

Just out of curiosity how would they know which TOB you used?

It's probably more than a 90% chance that the AZ TOB will fail before the ceramic TOB does.

Because you'll be taking back a worn PP and disc, but with a brand new TOB!

I'm not saying nothing about the ceramic TOB. I'm just trying to say that the TOB provided should last and when it needs replacement, the disc will be quite worn and need replacement too, so it's good to put a fresh kit back in and know you're covered by warranty. If you buy a ceramic TOB and it fails shortly, you're kinda screwed, unless you have no problem spending money!

Since we're talking about a TOB that'll last longer...go with a Kevlar disc and it, too, will last longer.

It's your choice, a clutch kit that will last a little longer and have to buy one again, or a kit that will last and be replaced free.

BTW, the kit will last longer than 10k miles, unless you abuse the crap out of it.

 

[Shoaz]

It is a pain to drop the tranny to do clutch work, no doubt about that.

However, the stock RevB TOB (i.e., the one with the quill sleeve) also holds up quite well with use. I wore out a clutch disk in about 55-60k miles with a stock RevB TOB that had been put in under warranty when the original TOB with no quill sleeve ate the shaft and PP. The RevB TOB that came out was still in very good condition, as was the quill sleeve, and the PP fingers showed essentially no significant wear.

It sounds to me like the AZ kit with the RevB TOB is the most economical way to go and for a street SHO with some spirited driving it should be technically up to ***** to do so (mine did a lot of track duty before the disk wore out).

An upgrade to Josh's ceramic TOB (which is a fine part, I have two) is a tradeoff that the individual should make given the cost and their expected use of the car. I would suggest that if this is the last clutch change you plan to do on the car (e.g., don't expect to own it more than a few more years), then the ceramic TOB is a hard case to make for a non-track car.

But that's just my opinion, your opinion is far more important when you're the one shelling out the bux.

 

[DHMag]

im not the one looking for a replacement. my kit does me fine, only had one problem with it but that was simple and waranteed. when i had the clutch apart, everything looked fine, with no signs of premature wear or promotional failure. ive done plenty of 3K clutch dumps, speed shifting, et al. only noticed a little slip but woulld go away once cooled. i was at work yesterday and looked up a clutch set, the 122RK is not offered by A-Z. and the 122 is now only waranteed for 18 months. i still have my original receipt that speaks of lifetime warranty, therefore, my stock clutch unit will always be free, as long as i stay with the stock unit.

The TOB that comes with the AZ kit is fine. If it fails, it's replaced for free. If you buy a different TOB and it fails, you have to buy another one. If your PP fingers are worn down/off, your warranty can, or will, be voided since you did not use the TOB provided. So basically, there's no point in buying a kit with lifetime warranty if you do not use the parts provided.

The TOB's w/quill sleeves come with them for a reason.....to prevent premature failing of parts.


Dale, it's possible that you can switch over to the NU0122RK kit when the time comes for replacement. The kit is an extra $5, so you'll have to pay that. Just explain the reason, then they can refund the 122 kit and use that money towards the 122RK kit. You shouldn't have any problems.

 

[TYSHO]

That's new...they need to update their website and info they get from the store by me, because it shows to still have both w/LLT warranty, on the web and store. Maybe it's certain stores?

 

[DHMag]

i work there. ive noticed a lot of differences between the website and the computers. for example, halfshaft on the website goes for 99.99. in the store, its 59.99.

That's new...they need to update their website and info they get from the store by me, because it shows to still have both w/LLT warranty, on the web and store. Maybe it's certain stores?