2010 vs. 2013

[SHO RPh]

Haven't seen this question addressed, so thought I'd ask.

Is there enough difference to call the 2013 the first Gen V?

If so, why? If not, why?

 

[SHO U UP]

I would think not since the body itself isn't changing drastically like the older 1,2,3 Gens did every 3 years. When the entire platform changes, then I would say its a Gen V. Just my thoughts. Good question though.

 

[RuDog]

I'de say with the lack of any change to the engine, and only minor aesthetic changes, the '13 is more of a refresh than an actual separate generation. Now, a major engine change, or something like completely changing the platform, that could be called a Gen V. I'm thinking longer wheelbase, +400 HP, possibly higher grade interior (since nothing can every be TOO nice). that would be sweet. but as long as the casual shmo on the sidewalk cant tell the difference between the two (and who can with how fast its bound to be going :woo-hoo it should still be a Gen IV.

 

[esfoad]

I agree. It's more like a GEN IV+.

 

[mjhpadi]

Just discussing with Showgun..I almost believe that you won't see a 2012 SHO, since the 2013 will be available in Spring 2012. It would also allow Ford to dedicate production of the Ecoboost engines to the F-150 to mean the demand. I will be surprised to see a 2012 SHO and if we do, it will be a 2011 with minor changes.

 

[SHO Continental]

Gen VII.

:theyareontome:

 

[SeanMc]

Read Kirk's review thread. I agree that it is enough to call it a Gen5 SHO.

 

[RuDog]

Read Kirk's review thread. I agree that it is enough to call it a Gen5 SHO.

good point, i just read it. all of that makes a pretty good case, now I'm not so sure.

 

[harder99]

Just discussing with Showgun..I almost believe that you won't see a 2012 SHO, since the 2013 will be available in Spring 2012. It would also allow Ford to dedicate production of the Ecoboost engines to the F-150 to mean the demand. I will be surprised to see a 2012 SHO and if we do, it will be a 2011 with minor changes.

Found another forum that states 2012's will be available to order soon: http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/44750-2012-taurus-sel-changes/

It states (as of April 16): The Final Order date for the 2011MY Taurus is now listed as 05/06/2011 with the 2012MY Order Bank to open on 05/18/2011 with 2012MY Taurus scheduling to start on 06/16/2011 and Job #1 on 07/18/2011. The 2012 Taurus Order Guide will be released on or about May 18th.

 

[SHO RPh]

I'm a little surprised this has not had more discussion. Perhaps my thread title did not help grab folks attention enough.

Comparing the changes that Kirk made on his thread concerning changes from the 2010 to the 2013 to the changes between Gen I and Gen II, here is a few things to ponder:

Brakes - Upgraded Larger calipers, Master cylinder and booster. (not sure if there is much difference)

Wheels- A nice Spider Web wheel with SHO logo (appear to be much lighter) and have the SHO logo embossed in the wheel. (change to directional slicers with SHO embossed in the center cap)

Body:
New front fascia with chin spoiler (changed)
New upper and lower Grilles (changed)
New Blacked out headlight with "TAURUS" in them (shape of headlights changed)
New Side vent badges that Say "SHO" (side badging changed)
New Rear Fascia with the "bumps" removed with body color chin spoiler added. (rear fascia changed)
New Rear spoiler (added spoiler – Gen 1 spoilers were add-ons except for the Plus)
Painted mirror caps (all SHO will be painted black) (mirrors went to solid black)
Deleted rear SHO logo on rear door (deleted Taurus from the side cladding)
Deleted ECO BOOST badge on trunk (changed Taurus on trunk to match car color)
New color Red as shown (Ruby Red) (new color red – Ultra Crimson was specific to SHO for awhile)
New Longer driving lights and light buckets (not fogs) (not sure if the fog lights changed)

Interior:
New full leather seats with SHO embossed on the seat (seat design changed – perf leather deleted)
New Dash cluster (changed)
New climate control unit (changed)
New window, door lock and mirror switches. (changed)
New Paddle shifters (added ATX in ‘93)
New all black interior (all black from A to D pillar) (new grey interior available, black dropped after ‘93)
New Shifter handle (manual shift **** shape changed)New wind deflector while the roof is open (no change to my knowledge)

Engine/Driveline:
No change (no change except ATX/3.2 in ‘93)Suspension:
No visible change (not sure about mtx, little softer suspension with ATX in ‘93)

The changes line up almost across the board. To me the pictures make the overall shape of the new car looks a little different than ours. Is that true? The sheet metal changes were not that drastic between Gen I and Gen II. The big differences are in the lights and the front/rear fascias.

I think it would be correct to call the 2013 a Gen V based on the similarities in the changes made between Gen I & II.

 

[Billm0066]

I definitely would not call it a gen 5. Changing bumpers, decals, and some things in the interior is not enough. All of those parts can easily be swapped besides the my ford touch. Change some sheet metal or the engine/trans and then we can start talking about gen 5. Gen 4.5 at best.

 

[SHO U UP]

I'm a little surprised this has not had more discussion. Perhaps my thread title did not help grab folks attention enough.

Comparing the changes that Kirk made on his thread concerning changes from the 2010 to the 2013 to the changes between Gen I and Gen II, here is a few things to ponder:

Brakes - Upgraded Larger calipers, Master cylinder and booster. (not sure if there is much difference)

Wheels- A nice Spider Web wheel with SHO logo (appear to be much lighter) and have the SHO logo embossed in the wheel. (change to directional slicers with SHO embossed in the center cap)

Body:
New front fascia with chin spoiler (changed)
New upper and lower Grilles (changed)
New Blacked out headlight with "TAURUS" in them (shape of headlights changed)
New Side vent badges that Say "SHO" (side badging changed)
New Rear Fascia with the "bumps" removed with body color chin spoiler added. (rear fascia changed)
New Rear spoiler (added spoiler – Gen 1 spoilers were add-ons except for the Plus)
Painted mirror caps (all SHO will be painted black) (mirrors went to solid black)
Deleted rear SHO logo on rear door (deleted Taurus from the side cladding)
Deleted ECO BOOST badge on trunk (changed Taurus on trunk to match car color)
New color Red as shown (Ruby Red) (new color red – Ultra Crimson was specific to SHO for awhile)
New Longer driving lights and light buckets (not fogs) (not sure if the fog lights changed)

Interior:
New full leather seats with SHO embossed on the seat (seat design changed – perf leather deleted)
New Dash cluster (changed)
New climate control unit (changed)
New window, door lock and mirror switches. (changed)
New Paddle shifters (added ATX in ‘93)
New all black interior (all black from A to D pillar) (new grey interior available, black dropped after ‘93)
New Shifter handle (manual shift **** shape changed)New wind deflector while the roof is open (no change to my knowledge)

Engine/Driveline:
No change (no change except ATX/3.2 in ‘93)Suspension:
No visible change (not sure about mtx, little softer suspension with ATX in ‘93)

The changes line up almost across the board. To me the pictures make the overall shape of the new car looks a little different than ours. Is that true? The sheet metal changes were not that drastic between Gen I and Gen II. The big differences are in the lights and the front/rear fascias.
I think it would be correct to call the 2013 a Gen V based on the similarities in the changes made between Gen I & II.

The Gen 1/2 changes were more sigificant than just lights and bumpers. Along with the bumpers and lights, the interior changed quite a bit too. The trunks, fenders, hood, and basically the entire car structure changed. The Gen 2 also grew longer. The addition of the automatic tranny, the 3.2 V-6, the revised suspension and wheel bearing assemblies up front also made note of a newer Generation.


Think about it like this. The 1996-1999 SHOs and regular Taurii of the same years share the same unibody structure from the windshield to the back of the car as the 2000-2007 models. Same doors, windows, underbody, suspension, etc. Would we have called the SHOs in the years 2000-2007 (if they were actually produced that is) a Gen 4 or a Gen 3.5?


This is a great debate nonetheless, whatever they are called. I'm thankful that Ford has stepped up to the plate and did what they did. I think it's probably a little too early for this kind of change to the car, but they know what they're doing. Whatever Generation we may call it, let's be glad that we are able to have this kind of debate. Maybe Ford will keep the SHO in the lineup longer than they did before. :thankyou:

 

[markathome]

Sounds like 2012's, if produced, will be a rare bunch...

 

[nothingtoseehere]

The Gen 1/2 changes were more sigificant than just lights and bumpers. Along with the bumpers and lights, the interior changed quite a bit too. The trunks, fenders, hood, and basically the entire car structure changed. The Gen 2 also grew longer. The addition of the automatic tranny, the 3.2 V-6, the revised suspension and wheel bearing assemblies up front also made note of a newer Generation.


Think about it like this. The 1996-1999 SHOs and regular Taurii of the same years share the same unibody structure from the windshield to the back of the car as the 2000-2007 models. Same doors, windows, underbody, suspension, etc. Would we have called the SHOs in the years 2000-2007 (if they were actually produced that is) a Gen 4 or a Gen 3.5?


This is a great debate nonetheless, whatever they are called. I'm thankful that Ford has stepped up to the plate and did what they did. I think it's probably a little too early for this kind of change to the car, but they know what they're doing. Whatever Generation we may call it, let's be glad that we are able to have this kind of debate. Maybe Ford will keep the SHO in the lineup longer than they did before. :thankyou:

3.2 did not come until 93. Everything engine and suspension wise for an MTX car will interchange between Gen I and Gen II.

IMO, if there were a 2000-2007 SHO... it would have been Gen IV.

 

[Bob Gervais]

Not a Gen V until it gets a factory caliper cover option.

:wave:

 

[Billm0066]

Not a Gen V until it gets a factory caliper cover option.

:wave:

Says the guy driving a gen 1

 

[lowc]

Says the guy driving a gen 1

actually its a gen2 smart ass

 

[mjhpadi]

Not a Gen V until it gets a factory caliper cover option.

:wave:

Yeah, Baby!!!

 

[firebat45]

I'm not thinking of the 2013 as a Gen 5 (should be discussing whether it's a Gen 7, but whatever). Just like a '92 is basically a Gen 1 (all the really major changes were in 93+) the 2013 is basically the same as the 2010+, with a few minor changes.

 

[Bob Gervais]

Says the guy driving a gen 1

:thankyou:

My comment was meant as a joke. My apologies if it didn't come off that way, and yes, you're right, I TOTALLY wish I could be part of the cool kids club.