02 sensor code 136-172 lean

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i know these codes usually mean 02 sensors bad but could they also mean since both indicate lean a true lean condition. could my maf be indicating the wrong flow of air cuasing yhe computer to lean out the fuel mixture? will an air charge sensor cause problems if dirty?
the o2 sensors are not that old only a few k on them, has anyone had this problem?

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could my maf be indicating the wrong flow of air cuasing yhe computer to lean out the fuel mixture?
Yes

will an air charge sensor cause problems if dirty?
No, the ACT only measures temperature. Dirt won't affect it as it is sealed.

Look for an intake air leak. Also, check your fuel delivery system. Weak fuel supply or intake leaks will also cause lean operating conditions.

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bchicked,

I disagree with your basic premise, that is "I know these codes usually mean O2 sensors bad".

The one code means that the air fuel mixture is always lean when the engine is running and the other means that the engine's lean condition is constant and has been stored in continuous memory.

The diagnostic question to ask is, "is the lean condition real, or has the sensor(s) failed and is reporting a false lean condition?"

If both sensors have stopped "switching", from rich to lean and back, then that is generally a clear indication that the system is in fact running lean. Both O2 sensors do not usually fail at the same time.

However, very frequently I see two failed sensors. I believe that is because folks will operate their vehicle with one failed sensor and continue to drive it until the other sensor fails and the check engine light comes on, or other driveability problems start to occur.

So, to add to what Steve has said, check all your vacuum hose connections. Look for cracks or breaks at the connections. Look for any spots where the hose may have been rubbed through or burned through.

You can check for leaks at the manifold gasket by spraying carb cleaner, or WD-40, arround the gasket edge and watch for the fluid to be "sucked in".

Also check the "snorkle" from the air box to the throttle body for cracks or breaks in it. The crankcase ventilation tube that runs from the valley to the throttle body is difficult to check but also needs to be looked at. It gets a lot of heat and dries out and cracks.

If you do not find any vacuum leaks, then maybe you have two failed O-2 sensors. In doing the diagnostics on such a problem I would consider the facts of the situation.

If you came to me with a car with 120K miles and told me the O-2 sensors were new at 100K, I would suspect one sensor but both would be very unlikely.

But If both sensors were original, I would suspect both sensors had failed. In fact I would recommend both be changed before doing any further diagnostics because of the excess age of the sensors.

If both of your O-2 sensors are more than 60K miles old, replace them. Then continue your diagnostics, if that does not solve the problem.

A code regarding most of the sensors usually indicate that the sensor has failed, or the connection between the sensor and the computer is poor or has failed.

A few sensors, including the O-2 sensor and the temperature sensor, can be causing the code AND be sending the correct information. The question is then why is the sensor detecting a faulty condition, e.g. too rich or too lean, too hot or too cold, etc. thumb
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update a friend of mine had a maf from a 4.0 arrowstar 4.0 same part# wow its running unbelievible i just put a brand new crate engine fully dressed into a 92 mtx that i got for 500 bucks the front was smashed so i put my front clip on and rebiult my trans already installed the udps and alumnium sfbs solid torque limiters the only thing that has to wait was 80 mm maf just sent my lpm to ted b for reprogamming.

i have been babying it for 800 miles with a jacked up maf, i had no idea these cars were this quick i love it

so it was the maf all along i had two of them and both are bad.

i am now a sho fiend like the rest of you
 
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