All you need to know about catch cans.

[Ryan Selcer]

And this is why these posts fail. The Vendor influence is what killed so many messageboards.

This is supposed to be “All you need to know about Catch Cans” and instead its, “just buy UPR for $350+”.

If you go to the top and actually read theres still info there. You can't just start at the bottom and get mad...

 

[V6fan]

If you go to the top and actually read theres still info there. You can't just start at the bottom and get mad...

I did read the entire post. It basically is “buy a UPR”. So, you should be mad.

 

[luigisho]

And this is why these posts fail. The Vendor influence is what killed so many messageboards.

 

[Michigan-SHO]

Sometimes, the best is the best, because it’s the best. A universal CC will work but it’s like buying a base model of anything, you WILL sacrifice quality, craftsmanship and performance. That’s why the price point is justifiable.

No one is making anyone here purchase a UPR CC, it just so happens that most of members use them because of their reliability, quality, fit and finish.


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[Ryan Selcer]

I did read the entire post. It basically is “buy a UPR”. So, you should be mad.

No its not dude, I spoke about the rxp and someone shared another thread about it and then others chimed in on the UPR and JP

 

[Ryan Selcer]

There was a post shared for the RXP idk what happened to it

 

[High on Ethanol]

And this is why these posts fail. The Vendor influence is what killed so many messageboards.

This is supposed to be “All you need to know about Catch Cans” and instead its, “just buy UPR for $350+”.

No! I said buy mishimoto or radium engineering! Right Meow!

 

[V6fan]

No its not dude, I spoke about the rxp and someone shared another thread about it and then others chimed in on the UPR and JP

Not in this post.

 

[V6fan]

Agreed 100%.

If $350 is too expensive for a needed CC, then owning an SHO might not be a good idea.

I back the UPR because it flat out works.

Silly answer. Ford requires 150k durability. If they decided the car needed one, it would have been factory. Its not. Is it a good idea when turning up the boost, yes.

This is my daily. I’m not gutting the car, adding turbos and trying to race my 4500lbs 4-door. I have other project cars. I’m just looking at a few mods like a CC and I/C. On my other boosted cars, I run my own system because I was running CCs before they got popular.
Was just looking for info.

 

[SM105K]

Silly answer. Ford requires 150k durability. If they decided the car needed one, it would have been factory. Its not. Is it a good idea when turning up the boost, yes.

This is my daily. I’m not gutting the car, adding turbos and trying to race my 4500lbs 4-door. I have other project cars. I’m just looking at a few mods like a CC and I/C. On my other boosted cars, I run my own system because I was running CCs before they got popular.
Was just looking for info.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Ford now recommends a CC on the early EB engines. Talk to almost any tech as well. The valve issues were a big deciding factor of Ford adding a direct port FI in conjunction to the DI system in the new gen EB engines.

If these cars didn't need one there would not be a market for CC's. I have numerous posts with pictures showing how much crap my CC catches. I have data for 2 years and 25k miles. Average it all out, I catch 3 oz of crap every 3k miles.

The reason I say go with UPR is fit, finish, plug and play, and it works. By all means build your own. For it to properly work you will need everything Lee posted.

Vendors didn't **** forums. FB groups killed fourms. I saw it from the very beginning. I have a been a Mod on various forums, and once the FB groups started forming, we saw traffic take a large dive. Also when large companies bought the forums, that was the death blow. I watched LS1Tech grow huge, then when they were bought, it turned to complete crap.

 

[V6fan]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Ford now recommends a CC on the early EB engines. Talk to almost any tech as well. The valve issues were a big deciding factor of Ford adding a direct port FI in conjunction to the DI system in the new gen EB engines.

If these cars didn't need one there would not be a market for CC's. I have numerous posts with pictures showing how much crap my CC catches.

So Ford has issued a recall to put CCs on all early EBs? Great, anybody have the link?

Or Ford put out a Service Bulletin advising dealers to install non-compliant Crankcase Ventilation hardware? Got that link?

Dealer Techs are “not Ford”. What they think is irrelevant. Besides I never argued against using CCs.

DI was introduced for a few significant reasons including emissions and charge cooling. Has nothing to do with CC options.

The market for CCs expanded as more people added aftermarket boost. Then they figured out they could sell them for factory boosted and NA cars. How many NA cars do you think need a CC? Few but the aftermarket sells a ton.

How many CAIs, throttle body spacers, manifold spacers are sold? Millions. Few show any gains over a better filter unless the car significantly needs more airflow. I’m not sure what your point is? Ford didn’t put one but it needs it? That’s debatable on stock vehicles.

 

[SM105K]

So Ford has issued a recall to put CCs on all early EBs? Great, anybody have the link?

Or Ford put out a Service Bulletin advising dealers to install non-compliant Crankcase Ventilation hardware? Got that link?

No but they recommend them. That was a direct reversal in thinking, hence why Ford Performance started selling them. The is why there was a revision on the 13's. Again on the 15's. Ford was taken action. I think CC should be stock on every boosted motor. However do you think Joe Q Public is going to empty them? The thought of that is laughable.

Dealer Techs are “not Ford”. What they think is irrelevant. Besides I never argued against using CCs.

Dealer Techs still have input. They are still frontline. When they have to clean the valves and Ford acknowledges this.

DI was introduced for a few significant reasons including emissions and charge cooling. Has nothing to do with CC options.

I didn't say it was the only reason. I said it as a big deciding factor. You are correct on that account, how it also fixed the valve issues.

The market for CCs expanded as more people added aftermarket boost. Then they figured out they could sell them for factory boosted and NA cars. How many NA cars do you think need a CC? Few but the aftermarket sells a ton.

I agree not all sets ups are the same. I have had CC's on all of my cars including my nitrous cars.

How many CAIs, throttle body spacers, manifold spacers are sold? Millions. Few show any gains over a better filter unless the car significantly needs more airflow. I’m not sure what your point is? Ford didn’t put one but it needs it? That’s debatable on stock vehicles.

I have no idea why you bought other mods into this conversation. As for your daily driver comment on stock vehicles. I bought my 13 completely stock with 50K miles. Within a month of owning it, I had already bought my UPR CC. My car was stock except for a K&N drop in. I put roughly 10k miles on it during that time. I was driving 130 miles a day. It steadily caught 2.5 to 3 oz of crap every 3k miles. I put my tune on and drove it another 8K same milage per day. Still caught the same amount of crap. I added everything else in my sig and it still catches 3 to 3.5 oz of crap every 3K miles. So even stock it was catching a bunch of crap.

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[V6fan]

No but they recommend them. That was a direct reversal in thinking, hence why Ford Performance started selling them. The is why there was a revision on the 13's. Again on the 15's. Ford was taken action. I think CC should be stock on every boosted motor. However do you think Joe Q Public is going to empty them? The thought of that is laughable.

I'm not sure your source on that one. Ford Performance sells parts to make money. They don't sell parts, especially non-compliant parts, to "fix" stock vehicles. A factory CC would just need a drain path into the pan or valve cover. No, making it part of regular maintenance would not work well.

Dealer Techs still have input. They are still frontline. When they have to clean the valves and Ford acknowledges this.

Ford has Field Service Engineers that look at recurring issues and they track warranty numbers to justify changes. Techs are important too, I'm just clarifying the process.

I have no idea why you bought other mods into this conversation. As for your daily driver comment on stock vehicles.

I already think CCs could be a benefit. That was never an issue. I brought up other parts because you said:

If these cars didn't need one there would not be a market for CC's

There is a huge market for CAIs etc... but that doesn't mean everybody needs one. The aftermarket is just really good at selling "me too" mods.


So, can we get back on topic? I was hoping to find out about multiple options. I already understand UPR is great. I may buy one but like I said, its my daily, $350+ makes it a lower priority. My other projects need stuff too.

 

[SM105K]

No but they recommend them. That was a direct reversal in thinking, hence why Ford Performance started selling them. The is why there was a revision on the 13's. Again on the 15's. Ford was taken action. I think CC should be stock on every boosted motor. However do you think Joe Q Public is going to empty them? The thought of that is laughable.

I'm not sure your source on that one. Ford Performance sells parts to make money. They don't sell parts, especially non-compliant parts, to "fix" stock vehicles. A factory CC would just need a drain path into the pan or valve cover. No, making it part of regular maintenance would not work well.

Dealer Techs still have input. They are still frontline. When they have to clean the valves and Ford acknowledges this.

Ford has Field Service Engineers that look at recurring issues and they track warranty numbers to justify changes. Techs are important too, I'm just clarifying the process.

I have no idea why you bought other mods into this conversation. As for your daily driver comment on stock vehicles.

I already think CCs could be a benefit. That was never an issue. I brought up other parts because you said:

If these cars didn't need one there would not be a market for CC's

There is a huge market for CAIs etc... but that doesn't mean everybody needs one. The aftermarket is just really good at selling "me too" mods.


So, can we get back on topic? I was hoping to find out about multiple options. I already understand UPR is great. I may buy one but like I said, its my daily, $350+ makes it a lower priority. My other projects need stuff too.

Please build your own CC, and please report back with your findings. We have seen numerous people say the same thing time after time and ended up buying a complete CC system from whatever vendor. Tell us how, what parts, cost, time, and what your findings are. When you are said and done, you could have bought one engineered for our platform for around the same cost. I would also think about running a small camera and checking your valves before so you can see what you are working with from the start on your stock daily.

 

[FiveLeeter918]

not sure how I started getting bashed for having an opinion. It was asked, I gave my opinion. I didn't say "come buy from me", didn't post a link, I gave my opinion as a mechanical engineer in the oil industry on what is the best oil catch can for the money. I've personally tested most on the market in both the Ecoboost and Mustang platform across many years and engines, and the UPR always comes out on top.

If you want to take the parts list I gave above and make your own, I'm all for it. But 90% of the oil catch cans on the market are just larger volume air compressor oil separators and really don't do much, especially on a boosted platform. Even a majority of the ones claiming to work for boosted setups with tighter filtration standards still lack check valves so you end up with the Venturi effect while under boost which puts the can under vacuum and sucks every bit of oil back into your combustion chamber.

It's your car, I never told your what to do with it, I just offered my input as a degree'd engineer with 15 years of industry experience.

Carry on...

 

[V6fan]

Huh, maybe I will. I do have a decent camera for checking cylinders.

 

[FiveLeeter918]

Huh, maybe I will. I do have a decent camera for checking cylinders.

Remove the map sensor on the manifold and stick it in there and fish around.

 

[V6fan]

not sure how I started getting bashed for having an opinion. It was asked, I gave my opinion. I didn't say "come buy from me", didn't post a link, I gave my opinion as a mechanical engineer in the oil industry on what is the best oil catch can for the money. I've personally tested most on the market in both the Ecoboost and Mustang platform across many years and engines, and the UPR always comes out on top.

If you want to take the parts list I gave above and make your own, I'm all for it. But 90% of the oil catch cans on the market are just larger volume air compressor oil separators and really don't do much, especially on a boosted platform. Even a majority of the ones claiming to work for boosted setups with tighter filtration standards still lack check valves so you end up with the Venturi effect while under boost which puts the can under vacuum and sucks every bit of oil back into your combustion chamber.

It's your car, I never told your what to do with it, I just offered my input as a degree'd engineer with 15 years of industry experience.

Carry on...

I'm an Engineer in the auto industry, 30 years, including Ford. You seem a little defensive just because I didn't accept your input as gospel.

It is my car. Yes, I will carry on.

 

[FiveLeeter918]

I'm an Engineer in the auto industry, 30 years, including Ford. You seem a little defensive just because I didn't accept your input as gospel.

It is my car. Yes, I will carry on.

Not defensive at all. This is America, for the time being we're still allowed to have a difference of opinion.

You're the one who said vendors **** forums after I gave my opinion...

 

[SM105K]

Huh, maybe I will. I do have a decent camera for checking cylinders.

Honestly, I would love to see what you find. Another member posted his the other day, and they are thrashed.