Sho Mtx Mazda Parts?
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doclees
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TYSHO you may be perfectly right. But I'm not looking for or even hoping for a parts supply other than the bone yard. Just more sources in the bone yard. And yes it is laughable to expect a proper response to the question I asked ford. And yes I did get a reply to my email to Ford. And yes they answered it as if they never read it.
I dug this artice up... :type:
Not sure if its 100% accurate but sounds plausible.
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:04:41 -0700
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Sender: Ford Taurus SHO Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Matthew Hepner <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: SHO MTX origins, etc.
Comments: To: Dave Kegel <[log in to unmask]>
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Ok, I KNOW the origins of the MTX IV, look in the helms manual it will
tell you the MTX IV is based on the MTX III. You can then trace it back
to the MTX II and so on. In the Manuals ( I work at a ford dealer) I
have it states the Engine is made by Yamaha and the Trans is made in
North America By Ford Motor Company ( I can get quotes if you like I
read it again today to make sure I was reading it right). Any way I can
accept Susan's statement as fact. She works higher up in Ford than I
do.
Matthew
Dave Kegel wrote:
> OK, so Susan says:
>
> "I dug out my 1995 Powertrain Product Guide. Listed under Taurus, is
> the
> SHO with a MTX transmission. Looking into the specifics, the MTX-IV
> says:
> (note the quote marks here)
> "Manufacturer/Assy. Plant Mazda/Hofu, Japan" Sorry gang. The
> MTX-IV is
> definately a Mazda trans!!!"
>
> And Matthew says (this is like he said/she said <g>):
>
> "The MTX IV in the SHO is the Exact same Trans as the Tempo except for
> the
> two parts. (
> the SHO has two extra spider gears in the final drive that the tempo
> does
> not have) This trans is a direct spin off of the MTX III in the early
>
> Tempo's ( 84-88) and the ****** ( 85-90) which is a direct spin off
> the MTX
> II which was a 4 speed version used in the ****** ( 83-85)
> which was a spin off of the MTX which was also a 4 speed version used
> in the
> ****** ( 80-83) this trans and all MTX model transmissions are
> designated as
> FORD designed and Manufactured. The 5-speed Manual in the Probe is a
> Mazda
> design and is not a MTX model, It has a different name, and no parts
> will
> interchange with the MTX model transmissions."
>
> And I say:
>
> So what's the deal? Susan's info seems pretty cut and dry. Is there
> any
> chance the MTX IV is not really a "direct spin-off" of the MTX III?
> It
> would be nice to settle this once and for all.
>
> Dave Kegel
It sounds like many of the internals would be usable from the MTX-III. The best way to find out is to actually have an MTX-III and IV from a boneyard and inspect them with precision tools.
Any chance of the parts being the identical but having different part numbers if they were manufactured out of country?
SHO13
Not sure if its 100% accurate but sounds plausible.
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:04:41 -0700
Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
Sender: Ford Taurus SHO Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Matthew Hepner <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: SHO MTX origins, etc.
Comments: To: Dave Kegel <[log in to unmask]>
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Ok, I KNOW the origins of the MTX IV, look in the helms manual it will
tell you the MTX IV is based on the MTX III. You can then trace it back
to the MTX II and so on. In the Manuals ( I work at a ford dealer) I
have it states the Engine is made by Yamaha and the Trans is made in
North America By Ford Motor Company ( I can get quotes if you like I
read it again today to make sure I was reading it right). Any way I can
accept Susan's statement as fact. She works higher up in Ford than I
do.
Matthew
Dave Kegel wrote:
> OK, so Susan says:
>
> "I dug out my 1995 Powertrain Product Guide. Listed under Taurus, is
> the
> SHO with a MTX transmission. Looking into the specifics, the MTX-IV
> says:
> (note the quote marks here)
> "Manufacturer/Assy. Plant Mazda/Hofu, Japan" Sorry gang. The
> MTX-IV is
> definately a Mazda trans!!!"
>
> And Matthew says (this is like he said/she said <g>):
>
> "The MTX IV in the SHO is the Exact same Trans as the Tempo except for
> the
> two parts. (
> the SHO has two extra spider gears in the final drive that the tempo
> does
> not have) This trans is a direct spin off of the MTX III in the early
>
> Tempo's ( 84-88) and the ****** ( 85-90) which is a direct spin off
> the MTX
> II which was a 4 speed version used in the ****** ( 83-85)
> which was a spin off of the MTX which was also a 4 speed version used
> in the
> ****** ( 80-83) this trans and all MTX model transmissions are
> designated as
> FORD designed and Manufactured. The 5-speed Manual in the Probe is a
> Mazda
> design and is not a MTX model, It has a different name, and no parts
> will
> interchange with the MTX model transmissions."
>
> And I say:
>
> So what's the deal? Susan's info seems pretty cut and dry. Is there
> any
> chance the MTX IV is not really a "direct spin-off" of the MTX III?
> It
> would be nice to settle this once and for all.
>
> Dave Kegel
It sounds like many of the internals would be usable from the MTX-III. The best way to find out is to actually have an MTX-III and IV from a boneyard and inspect them with precision tools.
Any chance of the parts being the identical but having different part numbers if they were manufactured out of country?
SHO13
More digging... Please read the entire article...
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:35:32 -0700
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Sender: Ford Taurus SHO Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Matthew Hepner <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: SHO trans was 3.0 motor in Junk yard
Comments: To: "Benjamin J. Bentley" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sorry yesterday I made a mistake. The Tempo got the V-6 and the MTX IV
in 92 not 93. To everybody the answer to Joshua's question I am sad to
say is yes it is only the V-6 tempo's with the MTX IV (The MTX III will
bolt up but may not last very long). I believe that 50,000 V-6 tempo's
may be about right but most were ATXs I believe about 20,000 MTX were
built but not sure. that's 20,000 more MTX IV's out there than just SHOs
though.
As for the probe the parts catalog give's a different part number
for the cases halfs than the SHO or Tempo. What else is different I
don't know. The 3.0 probe uses the same trans as the 2.2 turbo with a
different bell housing case half. The guts may be the same though I'll
see what I can find out.
Matthew Hepner
Benjamin J. Bentley wrote:
> The MTX IV was also used in the 4 cylinder turbo probe and the mazda
> version
> of the same car.
>
> Ben
> ASE Master Tech
> Modified '93 Auto 73K
> http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/8150/sho1.html
> SHOtimes Directory updater
> http://www.shotimes.com
> [log in to unmask]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Hepner <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 11:34 PM
> Subject: Re: SHO trans was 3.0 motor in Junk yard
>
> >Dave, Marcus, Paul, Joshua and other list members please read the
> >following it may be long but I believe worth it.
> >
> >When I had my '69 mustang fastback I knew The inter changeability of
>
> >most of the parts so that I could take a part off a '70 cougar if
> >needed. As our SHO's get older this same knowledge will be very
> helpful.
> >
> >The history of the SHO trans ( MTX ). before the SHO the MTX trans
> was
> >in an ****** or a tempo as an MTX II (4-speed) or MTX III (5-speed).
> >when the SHO came along Ford took the MTX III and added bigger
> bearings
> >and wider gears for strength and this is the MTX IV all else is the
> >same. the MTX III was used in the tempo until '93. In '93 the tempo
> got
> >the 3.0 V-6 and along with that the MTX IV. The difference between
> the
> >MTX III and the MTX IV is very small allot of parts will exchange
> and
> >the physical size is the same. I have seen quite a few V-6 tempo's
> and
> >am sure like the SHO sold better in different parts of the country.
> they
> >sold better at higher alltitudes because of the better power.
> >
> >I work at a FORD dealer and spent sometime today verifying this
> before I
> >looked like a fool so here is some proof. Ford's part numbering
> system
> >includes a "code" for determining which vehicle line that a part was
> >originally intended for. for example and F3ZZ pre fix denotes a part
> for
> >a 93 mustang although it may be used on a 95 T-bird .
> >using this here is what I found.
> >
> >both case halfs are '93 tempo parts
> >
> >the main shaft, countershaft, output shaft and the differential
> carrier
> >are 89 taurus numbers but are also used in the '93 tempo
> >
> >the shift forks shift rails and syncros are 88 ****** numbers for
> both
> >the SHO and the tempo.same parts as the MTX III
> >
> >I didn't have time to check every part but I think you get the idea.
> the
> >final drive ratio may be different both have the same listed but may
> >vary from car to car depending on options. for instance high altitude
>
> >vehicles sometimes have lower gear ratios to make up for the loss of
> >power
> >
> >Matthew Hepner
> >
> >Dave Kegel wrote:
> >
> >> I choose "or not". They are not the same.
> >>
> >> Dave Kegel
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Matthew Hepner [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:24 PM
> >> Subject: Re: 3.0 motor in Junk yard
> >>
> >> Believe it or not the transmission case and all the internal parts
> are
> >>
> >> the exect same as, are ready for this a 5 speed TEMPO/TOPAZ there
> are
> >> tons of these out there.
> >>
> >> Matthew Hepner
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:35:32 -0700
Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
Sender: Ford Taurus SHO Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Matthew Hepner <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: SHO trans was 3.0 motor in Junk yard
Comments: To: "Benjamin J. Bentley" <[log in to unmask]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Sorry yesterday I made a mistake. The Tempo got the V-6 and the MTX IV
in 92 not 93. To everybody the answer to Joshua's question I am sad to
say is yes it is only the V-6 tempo's with the MTX IV (The MTX III will
bolt up but may not last very long). I believe that 50,000 V-6 tempo's
may be about right but most were ATXs I believe about 20,000 MTX were
built but not sure. that's 20,000 more MTX IV's out there than just SHOs
though.
As for the probe the parts catalog give's a different part number
for the cases halfs than the SHO or Tempo. What else is different I
don't know. The 3.0 probe uses the same trans as the 2.2 turbo with a
different bell housing case half. The guts may be the same though I'll
see what I can find out.
Matthew Hepner
Benjamin J. Bentley wrote:
> The MTX IV was also used in the 4 cylinder turbo probe and the mazda
> version
> of the same car.
>
> Ben
> ASE Master Tech
> Modified '93 Auto 73K
> http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/8150/sho1.html
> SHOtimes Directory updater
> http://www.shotimes.com
> [log in to unmask]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Hepner <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 11:34 PM
> Subject: Re: SHO trans was 3.0 motor in Junk yard
>
> >Dave, Marcus, Paul, Joshua and other list members please read the
> >following it may be long but I believe worth it.
> >
> >When I had my '69 mustang fastback I knew The inter changeability of
>
> >most of the parts so that I could take a part off a '70 cougar if
> >needed. As our SHO's get older this same knowledge will be very
> helpful.
> >
> >The history of the SHO trans ( MTX ). before the SHO the MTX trans
> was
> >in an ****** or a tempo as an MTX II (4-speed) or MTX III (5-speed).
> >when the SHO came along Ford took the MTX III and added bigger
> bearings
> >and wider gears for strength and this is the MTX IV all else is the
> >same. the MTX III was used in the tempo until '93. In '93 the tempo
> got
> >the 3.0 V-6 and along with that the MTX IV. The difference between
> the
> >MTX III and the MTX IV is very small allot of parts will exchange
> and
> >the physical size is the same. I have seen quite a few V-6 tempo's
> and
> >am sure like the SHO sold better in different parts of the country.
> they
> >sold better at higher alltitudes because of the better power.
> >
> >I work at a FORD dealer and spent sometime today verifying this
> before I
> >looked like a fool so here is some proof. Ford's part numbering
> system
> >includes a "code" for determining which vehicle line that a part was
> >originally intended for. for example and F3ZZ pre fix denotes a part
> for
> >a 93 mustang although it may be used on a 95 T-bird .
> >using this here is what I found.
> >
> >both case halfs are '93 tempo parts
> >
> >the main shaft, countershaft, output shaft and the differential
> carrier
> >are 89 taurus numbers but are also used in the '93 tempo
> >
> >the shift forks shift rails and syncros are 88 ****** numbers for
> both
> >the SHO and the tempo.same parts as the MTX III
> >
> >I didn't have time to check every part but I think you get the idea.
> the
> >final drive ratio may be different both have the same listed but may
> >vary from car to car depending on options. for instance high altitude
>
> >vehicles sometimes have lower gear ratios to make up for the loss of
> >power
> >
> >Matthew Hepner
> >
> >Dave Kegel wrote:
> >
> >> I choose "or not". They are not the same.
> >>
> >> Dave Kegel
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Matthew Hepner [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:24 PM
> >> Subject: Re: 3.0 motor in Junk yard
> >>
> >> Believe it or not the transmission case and all the internal parts
> are
> >>
> >> the exect same as, are ready for this a 5 speed TEMPO/TOPAZ there
> are
> >> tons of these out there.
> >>
> >> Matthew Hepner
Storm-Chaser
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91Shonewbie
Member
So after all that, if I got this right, the topaz and tempo 5 speed Trans are the same as the 89-91 SHO TRANS. Cause if that is right there is the answer. To our Trans problem now to find the ones that aren't beat or even possibly be able to get new parts some where. Cool
doclees
New Member
No SHO 5 speeds are unique. Spent many hours looking for internals that cross referenced. Nothing of significance. The answer to sho trans problem is 3D printing. If you can build a complete model 1911 45 then rare car parts are not far behind.
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