stephen newberg
SHO Member
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2010 SHO brakes
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Remarkably solid advice for life in general, not just internet boards, though it would ease those a lot if followed more often.
pax, smn
stfu my opinions are gospel lol
hawkeye18
Sorta cares
well its my opinion that your opinion of my opinions is very opinionated
Getting back to the brakes.....
The new car has 325mm front and 330mm rear rotors. (12.8/13") and huge twin 48mm front and single 43mm rear pistons (1.88 x 2 / 1.7") parts.
That's massive performance for a sedan even by today's standards. The only reason I can think of that anyone would not find them to their liking is the 27mm (1.06) bore mc which would be a bit softer (can you say target market buyer) than the more ********* enthusiast would want. A potential move to 1.125 would go far to fix that if there is something in the parts bin that would swap in.
The new car has 325mm front and 330mm rear rotors. (12.8/13") and huge twin 48mm front and single 43mm rear pistons (1.88 x 2 / 1.7") parts.
That's massive performance for a sedan even by today's standards. The only reason I can think of that anyone would not find them to their liking is the 27mm (1.06) bore mc which would be a bit softer (can you say target market buyer) than the more ********* enthusiast would want. A potential move to 1.125 would go far to fix that if there is something in the parts bin that would swap in.
SeanMc
NoMoSHO
I still wonder if GT500 brakes would swap right in.
SHO Continental
Moderator
So is this still the same brake setup from a '06 Five Hundred?
ViPER1313
SHO Member
I'm sure the brakes on the SHO are more than adequate for daily driving. However, I would have liked to see something along the lines of the 300C SRT8's brake package:
14.2 x 1.26 ( 360 x 32.0 ) vented
1.73 (44) Brembo 4-piston fixed with aluminum housing
12.8in brakes is a joke for a sedan with implied sporting intentions. The whole idea of a sport sedan is that it will make a great DD and be able to do an occasional HPDE style track day without modification. I don't expect my Grand Prix to have fade free brakes on the race track - if I dropped 40g on a 2010 SHO I would.
14.2 x 1.26 ( 360 x 32.0 ) vented
1.73 (44) Brembo 4-piston fixed with aluminum housing
12.8in brakes is a joke for a sedan with implied sporting intentions. The whole idea of a sport sedan is that it will make a great DD and be able to do an occasional HPDE style track day without modification. I don't expect my Grand Prix to have fade free brakes on the race track - if I dropped 40g on a 2010 SHO I would.
Not so fast.
The rotors may only be 12.8" but don't overlook the piston size. That area is only slightly less than many trucks. I'd have to pull the SRT data at the shop but I think it's larger than the Brembo's also. Larger than the base LX two *** I know for certain. You're giving all the credit to the 14" rotor and while it's warranted for repeated use (track days etc) it's not going to have any impact on a daily driver making a few hard stops in city traffic.
As for the SRT the front calipers on that car are an oe joke. They are an abortion of alum housings bolted to an iron cage assembly with steel pistons showing problems of premature wear and rusting. About all that can be said favorably about them is they sorta look like a good caliper....from 30ft away. I've done a very nice caliper kit for this car that out shines this part with ease and keeps the larger mass rotor. The rear caliper however is a worthy contender at least!
I personally don't disagree that something like all this would be cool to have on the car but I just don't see this car being the performance sedan that an SRT Charger is for example. Time will tell I guess.
The rotors may only be 12.8" but don't overlook the piston size. That area is only slightly less than many trucks. I'd have to pull the SRT data at the shop but I think it's larger than the Brembo's also. Larger than the base LX two *** I know for certain. You're giving all the credit to the 14" rotor and while it's warranted for repeated use (track days etc) it's not going to have any impact on a daily driver making a few hard stops in city traffic.
As for the SRT the front calipers on that car are an oe joke. They are an abortion of alum housings bolted to an iron cage assembly with steel pistons showing problems of premature wear and rusting. About all that can be said favorably about them is they sorta look like a good caliper....from 30ft away. I've done a very nice caliper kit for this car that out shines this part with ease and keeps the larger mass rotor. The rear caliper however is a worthy contender at least!
I personally don't disagree that something like all this would be cool to have on the car but I just don't see this car being the performance sedan that an SRT Charger is for example. Time will tell I guess.
SHO Continental
Moderator
It'll be the people with DUBs that want huge brakes that'll be buying the insanely huge brake kits for the SHOs (assuming someone somewhere makes them).
The rest of us will stick with the better performing setups that give us longevity.
ViPER1313
SHO Member
What does piston size have to do with heat dissipation or resistance to fade? No amount of clamping force is going to help when the rotors are past 1200 degrees or so.
By my calculations 1.2 inches (a 14in rotor vs 12.8in) extra rotor gives you roughly 17% more surface area to dissipate heat (assuming the rotor hat is the same size.)
The whole point of a sports sedan is that it can speed up and slow down repeatedly. Any car on the road can reliably stop from 80mph to 0 without fade once. Cars that can go from 70 to 20 to 70 to 30 down a mountain without fading the brakes are rarer. I want the SHO to be one of those.
By my calculations 1.2 inches (a 14in rotor vs 12.8in) extra rotor gives you roughly 17% more surface area to dissipate heat (assuming the rotor hat is the same size.)
The whole point of a sports sedan is that it can speed up and slow down repeatedly. Any car on the road can reliably stop from 80mph to 0 without fade once. Cars that can go from 70 to 20 to 70 to 30 down a mountain without fading the brakes are rarer. I want the SHO to be one of those.
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OSU 4 SHO
SHO Member
A MKV R32 has 345mm fronts (13.58 inches) and it weighs about 3500lbs.
Agreed
:thankyou:
Mr Anonymous
Tire Wall
Rest assured that both the aftermarket as well as Ford are looking at brake upgrade options and it won't be long before something is available.
NESHO has had a 2010 SHO brake setup for a few weeks and we've already mocked up a couple of different setups to try when Kirk's car arrives in the next week or two.
NESHO has had a 2010 SHO brake setup for a few weeks and we've already mocked up a couple of different setups to try when Kirk's car arrives in the next week or two.
JSIL1
Mainlining
Call me when you have 8 large to spend and I'll build you a six *** kit with 1.625" wide rotors!
I have to admit that I am slightly disappointed in myself. A brake caliper, yes a brake caliper, on its own, no car, no brake & wheel combo, made me salivate...heavily. Man, I need to start getting out more.
sjkfly
Newbie SHO
Recent new owner of an '11 SHO w/everything. Brakes stand out (not) as too soft and too much travel for a high-per heavy car. My '08 Dodge Magnum AWD has much better feeling brakes and a higher pedal, but in SHO's defense, they stop just as well in normal spirited driving. If U R like me, a geezer from the heel & toe era, you will find the R side of yr foot pushing the go pedal when U brake. Not good. Just move yer foot over.
The '13 reportedly has a bigger master cyl which wd result in less travel (& more pedal force--a good thing) for the equiv braking power. But no one seems to know the ramifications to modify an '11 to '13 brake specs with all the systems, sensors, etc., plus no one wants the liability. Meanwhile will try Stoptech pads F & R.
PS: Mine has adj pedals option (vy desireable for me w/long legs--get better thigh support), but don't know if this option (linkage) makes the pedal feel softer.
Thanks from a pilot who when not up in the air likes my SHO!
The '13 reportedly has a bigger master cyl which wd result in less travel (& more pedal force--a good thing) for the equiv braking power. But no one seems to know the ramifications to modify an '11 to '13 brake specs with all the systems, sensors, etc., plus no one wants the liability. Meanwhile will try Stoptech pads F & R.
PS: Mine has adj pedals option (vy desireable for me w/long legs--get better thigh support), but don't know if this option (linkage) makes the pedal feel softer.
Thanks from a pilot who when not up in the air likes my SHO!
EcoBrick Bob
SHO Member
Stop Tech pads work great on my EB Flex. I also have much lighter wheels/tires which really help stopping.
Current article in Road and Track on what new light weight carbon fiber wheels that cut like 40 lbs of unsprung weight off a 911 will do to handling. Cutting unsprung rotating weight is the best way to help stopping and dramatically help handling.
Current article in Road and Track on what new light weight carbon fiber wheels that cut like 40 lbs of unsprung weight off a 911 will do to handling. Cutting unsprung rotating weight is the best way to help stopping and dramatically help handling.
esfoad
Esfoad
Colin Chapman said it best. What you have to do for performance is "Add Lightness". RIP Colin.
SHOSuperbeast
New Member
I am completely amazed that anyone who hasn't even driven a car can be given any credibility when giving an opinion. I have driven a lot of cars, and no the Gen 4 SHO is not perfect, but it is a much better car than most on the market. I have not found anything in it's price category that can match feature for feature, average over 25 MPG, be very reliable for over 100k miles, and have a 20 cubic foot trunk. If I remember correctly, previous generations of SHO's were criticized in the automotive press as well.
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