MTX Conversions to be sold

[SHODWN]

I just wanted to tell you guys that still have the V8’s that a MTX conversion kit will be available after The All Ford Nationals in Carlisle. As some know I bought Ryans Car, the one that I help him build back in 07, Im finally getting around to tearing it apart. The axle issue which was the weak spot has been corrected, and now can use a off the shelf axle. The Adapter plate that is 1” carbon steel, will be made from 6061 T6 Aluminum, and so will the flywheel spacer. The Clutch research also has been done and have a reputable clutch company making up the clutch kits. Also the other upgrade to this unit is the rod shifter, over the previously installed cable shifter.



Im making up 3 right now to test, one new one will be mine, one will be a local and one will be a shipped unit to test the ease of the install at another shop. All weekend long with the help of Bob G we have made a few jigs to replicate the parts over and over, today was the starter bracket, a very tricky piece to get true and get the spacing done correctly and all three were installed and tested on the first shot..



As far as cost goes im not sure as im making and installing parts as we go, I will have a final tally at the end of the second install. My best guess would be about the cost of a well built ATX!!!! Anyone interested in doing this may want to find a older gen 2 for parts. This will help keep your cost down if you supply some of the required parts, they can be had anywhere for cheap money.



No need for another slush box ATX rebuild! And this will also make Turbo or Supercharger installs much easier and will hold up to a good amount of power. We will be testing that next just before the convention..

 

[ultimatesho]

dont own a gen3 and doubt i ever will but that sounds great for those who have em........would b a little temptin to get ahold of a gen3 just for the sound

props for helpin out the gen3 members

 

[SHO1]

Awesome! I will almost definately be interested if I ever find a good donor body for my motor. Have also been looking and thinking of putting it in a G4 if I can find the right deal and yr./model.

Would anything be different for the mtx to v8 swap into a G4 vs a G3? I'm thinking nothing should be diff except maybe the shifter to the car fit and position? I mean just the mechanical engine/tranny/conversion kit part of it, I know there may be differenced w/the electronic computer stuff.



DuWayne

 

[bacernate]

I've been waiting!!!! Using Paul's tune to hold this pile of sh*t together for a year now, would rather spend money on a conversion for sure.

 

[SHODWN]

Glad you have one of our tuners.. You will need to contact Paul in the future for the MTX program.

There will be some difficult parts to this installation, Im trying to make it as easy as I can but cutting the trans in the right spot will be hard. I will try to make a simple jig for this part.

as for the gen 4 cars, the floor pan is the same and "should" be the same. Let you know that one in a few weeks.

 

[jthod]

:swing:

Do Want.

 

[icemaneric]

This is great timing for me, my 98 is in need of a rebuild or will be. I do have a few questions.

1. Will this mod effect the CA smog check. Mainly the service soon light. The reason I ask is, in CA if the check engine light is on, the car will fail the check. If you say just erase the codes, they also check for system ready, if system is not ready, you fail. So how does the ECU get around the issue of having a 4spd auto replaced by a manual 5spd. Is there a chip or a completely different ECU?
2. last question, how do you get the speedo to work? I know the GEN I & II are cable driven, but that is not the case in the GEN III, at least to my understanding.

Either way, I'm very interested. Keep up the good work and, keep us posted.

 

[mustangracer91]

a tuner can shut off the CEL, and the speed input comes from the ABS system not a cable. so the speed signal will be the same no matter what trans is in the car.

 

[38SHO]

what trans does this use? a v6 sho trans?

 

[SuperHO]

any chance of an adaptor plate being made up to run a different trans? say a mazda or nissan trans? assuming it'd fit, i think the 6 speed that's normally bolted to a VQ35 would do nice things for the SHO V8...

 

[RonPorter]

One of the operative phrases in Kirk's description is "off the shelf axle". Great for keeping the cost down, plus having an axle as the weak link, but easily replaceable, is a good thing if you think about it.

I would bet another tranny with more strengh & gears would double the cost. Not that it would be a bad thing for those with the cash.

 

[luigisho]

Hmmmm......

Old Service-> Camfest

New Service -> MTX Conversion(fest??)????????????

 

[Mr95Gl]

Oh man. . . . . . . . I guess I won't be needing a Gen 2 after all. . . . .

 

[St Louis SHO]

I can't wait. I'll have one of the prototype ones. I'll let you all know how it fits in a Gen 4.

Thanks Kirk.

- James

 

[SHODWN]

Ah no MTX conversion fest! LOL

It uses the SHO trans which there are PLENTY of left. Plus with Josh offering the new version of the qualife means you can pretty much make these last forever unless you want over 15lbs of boost so you start breaking gears and axles.

As far as using the Mazda Trans, Well the only issues I had with Scotts setup was the cutting of the main rail of the car to get it to fit, and the long axle shaft for the pass side ,the install of the Hyd system. Im not saying that either one is better, I have helped Scott with his setup and drove the SNOT out of that car and it works very well!!! Im just a SHO guy and have LOTS and LOTS of parts and its a bit eaiser to me. And parts are available for a whole swap in one car instead of tracking down stuff from multiple places.

Main reasons that this took so long Were the axles and that NESHO just really hasnt had a lot of free time to play.

I made the Oiginal set of axles that Ryan broke right out of the gate, I made a newer version that held up for those that seen the car at the convention. They held for about a year untill My buddy James snapped them at the SHOcago BBQ, so I was a little hesitant to make anything that would break.

As far as emmisions goes, Im sure Paul will chime in but that wont effect that at all, as the tune besides beings a upgrade to the PCM only changes the trans part and tells it that it has the MTX. Mass has the same deal, if there is a light on your done before you start, we have no tail pipe sniffers just the computer system that talks to the PCM, if the PCM is well then you pass.

Since installing the new style axles I have done several things to try to snap them. Lots and lots of clutch dumps to try to break them, and to try to break the support holding the jack shaft. I just made a 2 minute clip of the exhaust and the burnout the other day. Ill get it posted to my site later tonight.

Video will be posted at www.nesho.com/video.html

I still cant seem to post videos and pics correctly

Again its only 1, but its the last one before we tore it down on thursday.

 

[SHOZ123]

The tuning just tells the car it has a mtx and shuts off the codes you get from the shift solenoids not working.

No emission changes at all.

 

[icemaneric]

a tuner can shut off the CEL, and the speed input comes from the ABS system not a cable. so the speed signal will be the same no matter what trans is in the car.

Will the smog tech notice anything out of the ordinary, when he hooks up his scanner to the OBD II service port? Will the tuner allow the OBD II system to go into a ready state mode?
I know I'm just paranoid of the smog laws here in CA, especially here in Central CA. There just to strict!

 

[mustangracer91]

Will the smog tech notice anything out of the ordinary, when he hooks up his scanner to the OBD II service port? Will the tuner allow the OBD II system to go into a ready state mode?
I know I'm just paranoid of the smog laws here in CA, especially here in Central CA. There just to strict!

as a former california smog tech, no, I didn't see anything like that when I checked them. All you're scanning for is codes--yes/no. If the tuner shuts off the codes, then no codes= pass. If your area uses the loaded-mode dyno, then I'd just make sure you tell him you want an emissions friendly tune, as some tunes can make you fail, and you'll be just fine.

 

[mustangracer91]

SHODWN-- Is this going to be available as an all parts inclusive package deal? and is this something that your shop would install?

 

[NebraskaSHO]

So your saying I should hold onto my 93 MTX a little longer huh...

Awesome work guys!