So why is Megasquirt not compatible with SHOs?

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Im a member of KCSR.org which is a Kansas City automotive forum. A few days ago, another 2010 SHO thread popped up (tons of SHO supporters here in KC BTW) and one of the site's sponsors, House of Boost, posted about their love for working on the gen 1/2 SHOs. I asked if they had done any work with the TwEECer and questioned them about doing some tuning work with it on my SHO. Within an hour, I had a good 15 people telling me how the TwEECer is no good and I should invest in Megasquirt instead to get the max out of my SHO. I informed them about how everyone on here refuses to use this program and they asked why. I could not find a solid answer for them.

So, why is the TwEECer so much better for our application versus Megqsquirt? What can the TwEEcer do that Megqsquirt cannot? From what they all said, the TwEECer is junk which I refuse to believe seeing all of the success stories posted on here about it.

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From what I remember reading, the megasquirt is a breakout box type of system that has to be 'built' and wired in and i dont believe it has the support for our systems.

However, I know with the Tweecer, you have control over more settings than anything else. Just has a steep learning curve.
 

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TwEECer is a much better option in my opinion because of how many different settings you can control.

No one has mapped out more areas of the SHO's EEC than Axianator and Josh have. They have given us an amazing ability to tune more areas of the SHO. Nothing out there can tune as complete and as well as the TwEECer.
 

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Im a member of KCSR.org which is a Kansas City automotive forum. A few days ago, another 2010 SHO thread popped up (tons of SHO supporters here in KC BTW) and one of the site's sponsors, House of Boost, posted about their love for working on the gen 1/2 SHOs. I asked if they had done any work with the TwEECer and questioned them about doing some tuning work with it on my SHO. Within an hour, I had a good 15 people telling me how the TwEECer is no good and I should invest in Megasquirt instead to get the max out of my SHO. I informed them about how everyone on here refuses to use this program and they asked why. I could not find a solid answer for them.

So, why is the TwEECer so much better for our application versus Megqsquirt? What can the TwEEcer do that Megasquirt cannot? From what they all said, the TwEECer is junk which I refuse to believe seeing all of the success stories posted on here about it.

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I'm trying to pull this info just from memory from tuning classes I had 2 years ago, so corrections are welcome ...

1) TwEECer R/T datalogs .. Megasquirt doesn't.
2) Most negative comments about the TwEECer are from Mustang folks. Yes, the TwEECer is quirky for the Mustang but more straight foward for the SHO.
3) More control is possible with the TwEECer (if you have the newer DAT files) and take the time to learn it.

and is Megasquirt capable of using a MAF or do you have to convert to a MAP system?
 

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I don't think anyone on this board is familiar enough with MegaSquirt to actually talk intelligently about it, much less compare it to another system.

I've read up on it quite a bit and do know that for the longest time, Megasquirt could not do sequential injection control. Now they can. It can also read air volume through a MAF sensor or a MAP system, or both at the same time.

And I'm not sure about the Real Time recording, haven't been to their site in a couple of years.

I think that no matter which you choose, you should have access to a dyno to verify your work.

Tom
 

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ms has had different versions too, the newer v2 setup is lightyears beyond the original board. The big difficulties are that you have very few people that has ran the ms on a sho to really break the coding down. Pretty much the difference is that a ms is a clean slate, you program it to do and be what you want, where as the other is more about tweaking or changing an original coding. The big advantage of the ms is controlled actuator circuts you can add...ms can control your nitrous, boost solenoids, DIS ignition, etc, ms also uses a higher speed processor where your others IIRC are using the oem processor. the ms2 has datalogging and IIRC the ms1.5 did too. Once you have the basic coding, if you hookup a wide band o2 sensor and set the desired a/f ratio, it will self tune.
 

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ms has had different versions too, the newer v2 setup is lightyears beyond the original board. The big difficulties are that you have very few people that has ran the ms on a sho to really break the coding down. Pretty much the difference is that a ms is a clean slate, you program it to do and be what you want, where as the other is more about tweaking or changing an original coding. The big advantage of the ms is controlled actuator circuts you can add...ms can control your nitrous, boost solenoids, DIS ignition, etc, ms also uses a higher speed processor where your others IIRC are using the oem processor. the ms2 has datalogging and IIRC the ms1.5 did too. Once you have the basic coding, if you hookup a wide band o2 sensor and set the desired a/f ratio, it will self tune.

The one that I worked with was the older system, so I'm sure that v2 has a lot more.
 

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IIRC, I think there's even a ms v2.2 board out now that's even a little more compact, and allows for more input/output channels.
 

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Hi, I'm from DIYAutoTune.com tech support - we found the thread through the link posted here and wanted to answer a couple of the questions asked in this thread. MegaSquirt had had a good bit of development in the past couple years, so I'll go over its current features.

There was a bit of a question mark about how to control ignition on SHOs as their setup is something of a rarity, but it can be done now. Turns out they're very much like TFI, as far as the Megasquirt setup is concerned, just with slightly different settings. If you have an automatic transmission or EATC, you'll need to do a parallel installation and have the stock ECU control those - at least with current hardware. The MegaSquirt would have full control over fuel and ignition.

I'm trying to pull this info just from memory from tuning classes I had 2 years ago, so corrections are welcome ...

1) TwEECer R/T datalogs .. Megasquirt doesn't.

The current MegaSquirt has two means of external data logging; you can use a laptop connected to it or a Palm handheld. The one sort of data logging it does not currently do is internal data logging, without an external device attached.

and is Megasquirt capable of using a MAF or do you have to convert to a MAP system?

It has a built in 2.5 bar MAP sensor as standard equipment. You can set them up for MAF input as well. Most MegaSquirt owners don't bother, but the capability is there.

I don't think anyone on this board is familiar enough with MegaSquirt to actually talk intelligently about it, much less compare it to another system.

I've read up on it quite a bit and do know that for the longest time, Megasquirt could not do sequential injection control. Now they can. It can also read air volume through a MAF sensor or a MAP system, or both at the same time.

The sequential fire system is in beta testing right now and is running on a couple engines. The Sequencer should theoretically work on a SHO but will probably require removing the DIS module.

I think that no matter which you choose, you should have access to a dyno to verify your work.

Tom

Very good advice there.

ms has had different versions too, the newer v2 setup is lightyears beyond the original board. The big difficulties are that you have very few people that has ran the ms on a sho to really break the coding down. Pretty much the difference is that a ms is a clean slate, you program it to do and be what you want, where as the other is more about tweaking or changing an original coding. The big advantage of the ms is controlled actuator circuts you can add...ms can control your nitrous, boost solenoids, DIS ignition, etc, ms also uses a higher speed processor where your others IIRC are using the oem processor. the ms2 has datalogging and IIRC the ms1.5 did too. Once you have the basic coding, if you hookup a wide band o2 sensor and set the desired a/f ratio, it will self tune.

Megasquirt numbers can be a bit confusing, as there's processor numbers (which don't have a V number) and main boards (which do). Currently, there are V2.2, V3.0, and V3.57 boards, while processor versions are called the Megasquirt 1 and Megasquirt 2. Both can control fuel and ignition on the SHO, and support data logging. The self tuning works reasonably well for fuel after you have it started, but there is no self tuning equivalent for spark.

IIRC, I think there's even a ms v2.2 board out now that's even a little more compact, and allows for more input/output channels.

The Megasquirt 1 and Megasquirt 2 are the same size externally, but there are a couple other versions out there. The Microsquirt is a smaller version with fewer outputs, while the Sequencer (which is not quite out yet) is in between a Microsquirt and Megasquirt in size and has the most inputs and outputs of any of the current Megasquirts.

If you guys have any other questions, feel free to ask. I'll keep an eye on this thread.
 

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well there ya go, I knew I'd read that stuff somewhere...a little confusing, but good stuff none the less.
 
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In response to the MAF vs. MAP question, since it's already been established that MAF can be used with MS, I have to wonder why one would want to retain the MAF. We all know that the downside to MAP is that computer changes are required when airflow changes are made, but if those computer changes are just a serial connector away, then why is that so terrible? IMO, ditch the MAF and then you don't have to spend time working out the quirkyness of a dump valve/blow off valve causing a leak under vacuum.
 

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Matt,
Thanks for the great info. I'm looking to toss my LPM, and the MS II looks like the answer to what I need for tuning!

Suggestion: package deal up all the bits we would need for the SHO. I see that you offer packages for others. Maybe I'm lazy (or cheap?).

I assume this would be what I would want/need:
  1. A MegaSquirt, I or II, either will work nicely
  2. Relay Cable
  3. MegaEFI EEC-IV Kit (this page)
  4. Stock Ford EEC-IV ECU (just to steal the connector and case from, it can be a dead ECU from a junkyard Taurus)

If you would offer this package as a deal... maybe a nice special price for us SHOforum members???

Thanks!!!:salute:
Jeff.
 

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I think i'll prolly wait till the Sequencer comes out (and people rate their experience w/it) to do any forced induction mods....
 

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so im guessing the MS goes off stock ford crank, cam, act, and all the other sensors?
does this mean with the current software it can still allow me the use of my cruise control ?

i dont really understand what you mean about probley having to remove the DIS?
the SHO isnt the only ford car using the DIS either.
what about the DIS would make me have to remove it?
 

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The SHO system is a little more complicated than most ignition and fuel delivery systems. Whereas our crank sensor has 3 positions, the MegaSquirt only requires one.

The MegaSquirt uses a crank wheel that has multiple teeth with one missing.

I haven't read of one instance yet where a MegaSquirt was able to use our crank wheel.

Tom
 

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