Was wondering if there are SS brake lines that mount using all factory mount points?? The EARL SS lines I had installed have no mount points (other than from the hard line and the caliper) and rub the inner wheel/tire. They are a MAJOR SAFETY HAZZARD! Anyone using EARLS lines should imediately check for interference/rubbing problems...for obvois reasons. Based on what I've read...the braided material is what holds the inner teflon tube intact and once the braid is compromised....your line blows out quite easily! Also, when you do a brake upgrade...and/or change the size/offset of the wheels and tires...how does that affect installation?? Are the mounting points on the PBR calipers any lower than stock ( could cause damage to lines resulting in same above line failure) thus requiring longer lines for proper installation??.
SS brake lines dangerous??
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quikSHOilver
Yamahaized
After reading this,, I went out and discovered that on my left front russell SS line had some rubbing on it eventho it does have fitting to go thur bracket to hold it,the rubbing did went thur the plastic coating 
(there is a plastic tube wrap over the braid line) and didn't even touch the braid yet... I guess I can say whew or not?! so I observed line seem to be too long that only way it got in contact would be when make full right turn, so I zip tie it to the next available hole on strut where end link attaches. I hope that will help and will continue montior the progress. SHEESH!
(there is a plastic tube wrap over the braid line) and didn't even touch the braid yet... I guess I can say whew or not?! so I observed line seem to be too long that only way it got in contact would be when make full right turn, so I zip tie it to the next available hole on strut where end link attaches. I hope that will help and will continue montior the progress. SHEESH!
Did you see the replies to your earlier post?
I too had some issues, but they can be made to work correctly?
Here are the details
http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=68510
Hope that fixes it.
- Mike
I too had some issues, but they can be made to work correctly?
Here are the details
http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=68510
Hope that fixes it.
- Mike
Earls Ss Lines
Mike, I did see the posts about springs and other ideas. I caution any one who uses a tie strap.....not the way to go with something as important as your life or the life of others. My Earl's SS lines either did not come with springs or the installer did not use them! Perhaps my Earls SS lines were older models ???(they were not DOT but after reading up on that....thats not necessarily a big deal) I am going to get some Russell lines because quikSHOsilver mentioned his rubbed because he said they appeared too long (I would check the car when on a lift as the suspension will be fulled extended and there must not be ANY tugging/tension on ANY brake line ANYTIME! Plus the SS line covered with clear tubing for extra protection from debris. I like that!
Jason, 3.5 years!!...are you running stock wheels/tires? Stock brakes?? Do yours have the spring mechanism to prevent any rubbing??...maybe I can get a pic of your set up...if possible.
Thanks for all the feedback! I'd like to get the word out for folks to check out there front SS brake lines rubbing...
Dave in NJ
Mike, I did see the posts about springs and other ideas. I caution any one who uses a tie strap.....not the way to go with something as important as your life or the life of others. My Earl's SS lines either did not come with springs or the installer did not use them! Perhaps my Earls SS lines were older models ???(they were not DOT but after reading up on that....thats not necessarily a big deal) I am going to get some Russell lines because quikSHOsilver mentioned his rubbed because he said they appeared too long (I would check the car when on a lift as the suspension will be fulled extended and there must not be ANY tugging/tension on ANY brake line ANYTIME! Plus the SS line covered with clear tubing for extra protection from debris. I like that!
Jason, 3.5 years!!...are you running stock wheels/tires? Stock brakes?? Do yours have the spring mechanism to prevent any rubbing??...maybe I can get a pic of your set up...if possible.
Thanks for all the feedback! I'd like to get the word out for folks to check out there front SS brake lines rubbing...
Dave in NJ
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I've run stock wheels with 225/55/16 and now running 17" wheels with 235/45/17. I've also used '96 brakes, SHO Stopper Jr's, and now Cobra brakes with stainless lines. Mine did come with a rather large spring and bracket attched to the base (where it mounts to the hard line).
I don't have any good pictures and the car currently doesn't have calipers, knuckles, or wheels.
Here is a picture from when I first put them on. It had '96 brakes at the time. If you look closely, you can see the spring.
I don't have any good pictures and the car currently doesn't have calipers, knuckles, or wheels.
Here is a picture from when I first put them on. It had '96 brakes at the time. If you look closely, you can see the spring.
Shoaz
Studly dood
I responded in your other thread. This isn't a new thing at all, but perhaps awareness is not as good as it could be.
There are simple ways to avoid problems with SS lines. Springs, changing the angle of the fitting on the hard line via re-plumbing, nylon isolators, etc. I've used the nylon isolators for quite a few years on track and street and haven't had any trouble with them.
There are simple ways to avoid problems with SS lines. Springs, changing the angle of the fitting on the hard line via re-plumbing, nylon isolators, etc. I've used the nylon isolators for quite a few years on track and street and haven't had any trouble with them.
qshipsho said:
Dave,
It sounds like you have an old set of Earls lines. All the ones I have seen in the last three years are DOT approved, and part of the approval process was addin the large spring strain relief (it keeps the line from whipping at high speed).
I have always had good luck with Earls, but then again, I have never used Russel lines either.
Best of luck
- Mike
Dylan
New Member
I have a set of Goodridge SS lines and they come with the mounting hardware already in place and their is NO rubbing. I even jacked the car up and turned the wheels lock to lock with no issues.
I think it's weird that you have to make sure the spring is in a proper poistion to make sure it doesn't affect the lines.
Does anyone else here have the Goodrige lines or does everybody use Earls or russels.
I think it's weird that you have to make sure the spring is in a proper poistion to make sure it doesn't affect the lines.
Does anyone else here have the Goodrige lines or does everybody use Earls or russels.
luigisho
SHO Member
Used Earl's and had the same results as Jason. The spring and bracket with the braided hoses worked very well for my car for years.
MorpheusGPR
Ford TRIO
Can you stick some wire loom around them to create a barrier?
When you say "springs" you are not referring to the coil springs are you? I am installing new springs and struts now with the intention of one day doing ss lines so that is why I ask.
When you say "springs" you are not referring to the coil springs are you? I am installing new springs and struts now with the intention of one day doing ss lines so that is why I ask.
MorpheusGPR said:
Eric already went over this point.
No, you don't want your brake lines tangled there. If you look at my picture, betweet the strut and end link, you'll see a spring that is connected to the Earl's line (it is silver). If I remember, I"ll go take a pic tomorrow.MorpheusGPR said:
luigisho
SHO Member
MorpheusGPR said:
No. There are small springs attached to the bracket of the Earl's hoses that mount where the oem line and hose meet. It allows for some movement of the hose and returns it to the original position so it will not hang and rub against suspension/steering parts.
SHOspazz92
Banned
what kind of endlinks are those Jason?
-Sam
-Sam
Geek SHO
SHO Addict
So, is it worth all the trouble switching to stainless brake lines? I know it's supposed to improve braking response, or something like that in concept, but have you guys actually noticed a difference?
I noticed a difference, plus Im not worried about a rubber brake line blowing out as im approaching the turn after the long straight. Ive had earls with the springs on '96 calipers and cobra calipers and have had no rubbing issue. Just gotta place that spring right.
Shoaz
Studly dood
Geek SHO said:
The main difference is that the teflon won't expand under pressure like the rubber does. This means that the pedal stays hard (well, until the fluid boils, anyway), and brake modulation is much better.
For track use it's great, because being able to modulate the brakes effectively is pretty important.
SHODWN
Mother Threasa
its worth the switch hands down..
What we do here is cut the spring off completely.. I have found that the sliding motion between the spring and the SS wrap on the lind will bind and hold it out and make contact with the tire.
Here is what we do.
Cut the spring off completly
when installing the line add a little twist to it, the line itself will pull itself back to where it should be. SOme may have to "hog" out the mounting bracket a touch more to get this effect. Works every time.
But I will say that everyone that has these should keep an Eye on them!
What we do here is cut the spring off completely.. I have found that the sliding motion between the spring and the SS wrap on the lind will bind and hold it out and make contact with the tire.
Here is what we do.
Cut the spring off completly
when installing the line add a little twist to it, the line itself will pull itself back to where it should be. SOme may have to "hog" out the mounting bracket a touch more to get this effect. Works every time.
But I will say that everyone that has these should keep an Eye on them!
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