Let's get stupid.. 2.5 duratec similar enough to 3.4?

[Croaker]

The 3.4L is basically the same as the 2.5L? Right? Has anyone thought of mounting a supercharger or turbo built for the 2.5 onto the 3.4?

As long as the pulleys are in the same place, the idea is feasible. The battery would get moved to the trunk. I've seen pics of a supercharger in the V6 SHO's. I think the end result would look the same. The boost might have to be turned down a bit to avoid tearing up the transmission.
Another problem might be that airflow would be compomised. SO instead of the 304(turbo) use the 404 (found in Ford diesel trucks). More CFM.'

Any ideas...or has someone already tried?

-Croaker

Just a thought... let's say another 50-75 hp?

<small>[ March 24, 2002, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: Croaker ]</small>

 

[rakarb]

How about an Eaton M90, the unit from the T-Bird Supercoupe.

 

[Croaker]

They use the Eaton M90 on the Ford Lightning, and I believe the new '03 Cobra. Also Jags, some Buicks and Pontiacs use them (Eaton Superchargers).

Just have to becarefull of how much boost is used. Also cost could be a problem. Also, Clearance could be a problem with the Eatons. We might need to build a hood.

Though Eaton does estimate 40% power increase. If that's (ahem) true, then we are looking at about +96 HP (sigh). Probably at the flywheel, but still stock the Gen III's would probably hit about 230 hp at the rear wheels (guess?)..

Any other thoughts?

-Croaker

 

[LASTSHO]

I don't know about your SHO..but I have ZERO power to my REAR wheels

I'm guessing its just a typo...

 

[mholhut]

First, the SHO Shop is/was working on a blower for the V8's. Don't know what stage it's in but it was supposed to be out almost two years ago I believe.

If you're talking about an Eaton roots type blower, then you'd have to have something custom made. I think a centrifugal (sp) type blower would be more attractive and better fitting for the vehicle. Cost considering, what $4000-$5000 maybe for a one-of-a-kind blower? Just not in my budget for and estimated 230 to the wheels. I'd also bet that a tranny build would have to figure into the project somewhere. That much HP to the wheels over a period of time will probably have an adverse effect on the ATX.

Spend the $500 for a Zex nitrous kit, then spend another $10 for the 100 HP jets, then you'll have almost 250 to the wheels for some quick fun at the track. Then again, it's apples and oranges as far as preference is concerned.

 

[Osiris]

I've spoken to alot of people about nitrous and most have said that it'll ruin your motor.

I've considered it, but knowing it's not something you can use all the time, how safe is it?

I don't have the money or patience to replace the engine in this car, but I want more power, will nitrous fill that void?

Cost wise, it sounds to be expensive as getting these springs installed, all thins considered, I might leave the ride height alone and get the nitrous if it helps that much.

Any insight on this?

 

[drivinhard]

"I've spoken to alot of people about nitrous and most have said that it'll ruin your motor."

Ask all those blower guys how well those boosted mills hold up to!

N20 is fun for the drags, but otherwise not much use. A lot of people see it as cheating, make a slow car fast. I just see it as making a fast car faster when I hit the drags. Frequent bottle refills, bottle temp, pressure, lots of wiring, but it's a kick in the pants.

 

[wuzzzer]

Have there been any known Gen III engine failures due to nitrous?

<small>[ March 25, 2002, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: wuzzzer ]</small>

 

[Osiris]

My brother runs a supercharged Mustang. The engine has proven solid thus far, in fact the charger wore out due to defects in the manufacturing, but the motor has been rock solid in the 28,000 miles he's run it. ( and it's run to redline ALL THE TIME. )

His racing partner also runs a supercharged Cobra, which puts something like 550 hp to the wheels, obviously more than just the charger there.. But he also has a '97 SHO that he ran nitrous on, he has told me that the kit was causing excessive wear on the motor, this guy is pretty intelligent when it comes to cars, so I believe him. Most of who that comment came from is guys I know who have ran nitrous before and have switched to something else.

If it's solid, then great, but I can see myself always trying to use it on the streets, maybe too much of a temptation, especially since I recently had a run-in with a new CL Type S and kinda lost, although I'll say this, we ran from a running start at about 65 the second time and when we both dropped the hammer, neither one of us left the other, in fact we were side by side, with me just slightly ahead ( maybe inches ). This continued until about 110, when I shut it down, I don't know these roads just yet, nor do I want to give one of the local area's many, many police officers the pleasure of writing me a nasty ticket.

 

[1fastsho]

my friend had a 125 shot on his 97 and it was fine. he finally blew up his tranny after many mid 13 sec runs.

I would love to put together a turbo kit or a S/C kit but unfortunately there isn't any real interest or any one interested with money
if there is please let me know........

 

[Croaker]

The only hold back I see to using NOS is that unless I mount the bottle in the front seat have to plan ahead of time to use it. ie...Trackside. The advantage to having a supercharger/turbocharger is that it can be used anytime anywhere esp. those imprompto light-to-light races. Just to hammer all the other sports cars that show up.

Again being cost can be a factor. NOS being the cheapest of the 3 options. You wouldn't have to use a pure custom setup. Look at other super/turbocharged cars.

IE... the Eclipse/Laser/Talon turbos stuffed thier intercoolers in the front fenders along with everything but the turbos.

Just a thought....

Well...I guess I can ask the 4 year old to turn that handle thingie for Daddie...lol wink

-Croaker

<small>[ March 25, 2002, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: Croaker ]</small>

 

[Croaker]

LASTSHO:
I don't know about your SHO..but I have ZERO power to my REAR wheels

I'm guessing its just a typo...

Ok...I wondered into that one..(sigh).. Ya caught someone else too didn't ya wink

-Croaker

 

[1fastsho]

Zex has a remote bottle opener

 

[Mac98SHO]

Thank-you Shawn...... thumbs_u

That why they invented the remote bottle opener.... I think all the companies have them though.

<small>[ March 25, 2002, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: Mac98SHO ]</small>

 

[Croaker]

Hey 1FastSHO,

Doesn't Innovative P. Tech have a turbo kit in "Development", along with a 5 speed???

Or is this a wish list? wink

-Croaker

 

[Majisto]

Croaker:
Hey 1FastSHO,

Doesn't Innovative P. Tech have a turbo kit in "Development", along with a 5 speed???

Or is this a wish list? wink

-Croaker

A 5-Speed?! On a Gen III? If this is real, that alone would be reason enough to buy one. Nevermind, apparently the Duratec and V-8 are similar.

<small>[ March 25, 2002, 10:56 PM: Message edited by: Majisto ]</small>

 

[stephen newberg]

" Originally posted by LASTSHO:
I don't know about your SHO..but I have ZERO power to my REAR wheels

I'm guessing its just a typo...

Ok...I wondered into that one..(sigh).. Ya caught someone else too didn't ya

-Croaker
"

And being that other someone, I am very pleased to not only have company, but have a more recent offender to take off the load.

pax, smn

 

[SHODWN]

Mike, come on now you really dont think that the SLO SHOP is still working on the S/C do you? That project has been scraped and the money from what I hear is being returned slowly (very slowly) to the people that kicked it in.

There is another NEW shop opening that will be constructing the first gen 3 blower, it will consist of 2 cars for testing. once its determined that the motor wont blow up the second the blower spins up there will be a third.

 

[elcapitan87]

Lightning uses an Eaton M-112, not the M90, not sure what the new Cobra uses. To mount an M-90 from a GTP or similar (newer than from Supercoupe, has integrated bypass valve) onto the top of our engines would require about 6" worth of additional clearance. If there were somewhere else to mount it that would be wonderful, but I'm pretty sure that our cars would look stupid with a 6" cowl on them.

Ryan Dudek

 

[SHODWN]

how tight is the factory hood to the runners?