EBC Sport Grooved Sport Brake Rotors

[Juddblade]

I have a 1995 ATX and am planning on doing the 1996 front brake conversion. I have learned from this site that all I need is the 1996 rotors and the caliper brackets. I saw these EBC Sport Grooved brake rotors on the Tirerack.com site and am very interested in them. Has anyone tried them?

I have been told that crossdrilling is not for street use and causes problems. These EBC rotors have "dimples" and curved grooves cut in them. They look very nice, but I wanted to check with you guy's first.

I should replace the pads at the same time and I was considering the EBC "greenstuff" kevlar pads for the 1996 year model also. Are the pad sizes larger for the 1996's?

Any info will be greatly appreciated.

Juddblade burn_out

<small>[ November 24, 2002, 03:58 AM: Message edited by: Juddblade ]</small>

 

[underdog1924]

The pads are a slightly larger size for the 96. There was a post a while back in Performance suspension about the Green Stuff pads. Check it out.

 

[94mtx]

if you keep your caliper, then you use the 95 size brake pads, you can change to the 96 and up caliper, it is a slightly different size, but all things being equal i dont think that you need to upgrade to the 96 caliper. the 96 and up can use both size pads (96+ and 95-) but the 95 and down can only use that size. im pretty sure the piston size is the same for both models, but not 100% sure.

jon

 

[Ishodu]

If you do a 96 upgrade on the car your going to need the brackets and the rotors along with pads for a 96 there is not much use using the 95 pads on a 96 rotor but you will not make full use out of the rotor. The 95 and 96 calipers are the same.

 

[Juddblade]

Thanks for the input. So i do NOT need to change the calipers, correct? I need the the rotors, caliper mounts and the pads for the '96, correct?

Has anyone heard of the EBC rotors though? They look GREAT! I use EBC on my sportbike and they work great.

Thanks again for the info.

Juddblade

 

[Mr Anonymous]

94mtx:
if you keep your caliper, then you use the 95 size brake pads, you can change to the 96 and up caliper, it is a slightly different size, but all things being equal i dont think that you need to upgrade to the 96 caliper. the 96 and up can use both size pads (96+ and 95-) but the 95 and down can only use that size. im pretty sure the piston size is the same for both models, but not 100% sure.

jon

That is not correct. The 94-99 calipers are the same. To do the '96+ upgrade on '94 & '95's, you just need brackets, rotors and pads. The 598 size pads are the proper ones for the '96+ upgrade.

 

[Juddblade]

SHOooo, that is what I was saying on my last post. I need the '96 brackets (caliper mounts), rotors and pads. The 598 size pads are for the '96 also, correct? ( Thanks for the help.)

I went to www.ebcbrakes.com and got some more info on their rotors and pads. I also did a search on our SHOFORUMN site and found the posts on the EBC green stuff pads. They seem like the way to go.

Any other inputs on the EBC rotors and/or pads?

Juddblade

 

[94mtx]

SHOooo,
i have 94 size pads on my 96 upgrade. i have a 94mtx. (kinda hard to tell from my name!!) i might not be getting full braking ability, but i do have hawk hps pads that i ordered from tire rack for a 94 taurus sho that is currently in my car. i dont have the part number on hand.

jon

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Juddblade:
SHOooo, that is what I was saying on my last post. I need the '96 brackets (caliper mounts), rotors and pads. The 598 size pads are for the '96 also, correct? ( Thanks for the help.)

I went to www.ebcbrakes.com and got some more info on their rotors and pads. I also did a search on our SHOFORUMN site and found the posts on the EBC green stuff pads. They seem like the way to go.

Any other inputs on the EBC rotors and/or pads?

Juddblade

Yes, get the 598 pads. That's what a stock '96+ SHO uses, and that's what you want to use when upgrading to the '96+ brakes. The size 601 pads are for '94-'95 with stock brakes and are about 1cm shorter than the 598 pads. (IMHO, it's a waste of money to upgrade to the '96+ brackets and rotors and then stick on a 601 pad -- it increases braking power by a whopping 0% since the contact area is the same as stock. The only thing it does is reduce the likelyhood of warping since the surface area is larger and will dissipate heat better. I'd actually worry that the groove created by the short pad would have a tendency to trap water...)

I'm not familiar with the EBC pads & rotors, but in my experience the cheapest rotors you can find are usually fine (the AutoZone rotors are like $36/ea and have a lifetime warranty). For pads everybody likes something different. I personally use either the stock Ford pads, or the Raybestos ceramics when I do the '96 upgrades. I don't know that anyone has tried the green stuff pads here yet, so you could be a good test case if you want to spend that much $$$.

<small>[ November 24, 2002, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: SHOooo ]</small>

 

[pjtoledo]

Juddblade[/qb][/QUOTE],,,,,,Yes, get the 598 pads. That's what a stock '96+ SHO uses, and that's what you want to use when upgrading to the '96+ brakes. The size 601 pads are for '94-'95 with stock brakes and are about 1cm shorter than the 598 pads. (IMHO, it's a waste of money to upgrade to the '96+ brackets and rotors and then stick on a 601 pad -- it increases braking power by a whopping 0% since the contact area is the same as stock. The only thing it does is reduce the likelyhood of warping since the surface area is larger and will dissipate heat better. I'd actually worry that the groove created by the short pad would have a tendency to trap water...),,,,,,

QB][/QUOTE]

Its all about leverage, the bracket moves the caliper farther out from the fulcrum, so you do get an increase in performance even with the smaller pads. But bigger is better, so naturally the bigger pads are better. About the water in the groove,,all rotors have grooves,,so no problem.

Perry Toledo,Ohio

 

[Juddblade]

Happy Thanksgiving! I am GIVING THANKS for all of the input and help that this forumn and the people give! Without this forumn, we all would be very frusted and having to take it in to the dealer or shop. So again, THANKS!

Speaking of the dealer, I went to mine yesterday to order the caliper brackets and he showed me on his computer screen that the '95 and '96 used the same bracket! They both had the same part number! I have known the parts guys at my dealership for aprox 10 years, and they have always been acurate. However, Something is wrong here. I know that you can't put a larger rotor on without moving the caliper away the same distance, so what is the solution? Does anyone have the part number for these brackets? Are they the same left to right?

As far as the EBC stuff goes, it appears that the pads are great. The rotors LOOK great, and their specs and design are great. The rotors are $150 and the pads are $99 through Tirerack.com! Kinda expensive, huh? What do you guys think? shrug

Anyway, THANKS again for the help. Please let me know if you have the part number for the brackets and your opinion on doing the EBC rotors and pads for $250.

Juddblade

<small>[ November 28, 2002, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: Juddblade ]</small>

 

[Bizzy]

check autozone or advance auto parts, plug in for a 96 SHO and they have the brackets there, and they are much cheaper than the dealer. I haven't gotten around to doing my upgrade but I did get the brackets, but haven't bought the rotors or pads yet. Being poor and unemployed right now don't help matters for me right now.

 

[Ishodu]

part# for the brackets is F60Z-2B134-AA

 

[olympic]

ishodu:
part# for the brackets is F60Z-2B134-AA

That is correct and they are the same part # for left and right.

 

[RStalveyARFF]

netviper:
check autozone or advance auto parts, plug in for a 96 SHO and they have the brackets there, and they are much cheaper than the dealer. I haven't gotten around to doing my upgrade but I did get the brackets, but haven't bought the rotors or pads yet. Being poor and unemployed right now don't help matters for me right now.

You may want to check those brackets. Last time I checked, autozone was listing the same caliper bracket for both 94's-95's and gen III's

 

[shojuan]

Juddblade, if it were me doing the 96 brake upgrade, I'd just use cheapo rotors from autozone or somewhere. As for pads, if I wanted the best and was willing to spend $99 or a bit more, I'd look for a new set of carbotech F compound pads. Somebody's probably got a set on their shelves if Larry is out of them.

With the 96 upgrade a lot of people have had good luck just using the OEM ford pads. If you go this route and you want to track your car just buy another set of rotors and some carbotech panther plus pads and swap pads and rotors for your track events. I would much rather do that then spend $150 + $99 for one set of EBC green stuff pads and EBC slotted rotors.

It's a false economy to throw too much money at a 96 upgrade with super expensive rotors. If you're willing to spend that much you may as well consider upgrading to PBR/Cobra/Corvette calipers.

Rick

 

[viperrt450]

I had the same problem with the brackets. NO auto store cares the brackets for the SHOs i found out. If you go to the dealer just keep telling them for a 96 SHO, or even 96-99 SHO. It's all the same bracket. Just order the brackets through Josh www.shonutperformance.com

 

[biker889]

grooved or slotted rotors do help the process of "outgassing" but the purpose for those rotors are to heat the brakes up for situations like auto-x they need their brakes warmed up quicker. crossdrilled are good if you get the good ones, otherwise small fractures will occur around the holes. but cross drilled stay cooler and do help with outgassing.