Disable All Traction Control/AdvanceTrac/Electronic Nannies?

[Tjones018]

So I just got back from an Autocross weekend, and while I did handilly spank my nearest competition (a 15 Nissan Maxima) by a second and half, the electronic stability control was fighting me the whole way. Like i think the car is leaving 2-3 seconds on the table because of the computer interference.

I've got a 15 SHO non performance package.

What are my options is this something Livernois or another provider can tune out for me?

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

With a non-performance pack car you actually cannot completely disable all of the electronic controls. That is Ford's giant selling point for the PP cars. The RSC, TCS and AdvanceTrac all lie in the Body Control Module and cannot be turned off completely. The reason being is that they are inside of a locked partition of the ECU, and it would be illegal to remove them. Similar to the top speed limiter. We can raise it to an absurd number that the car would never hit like 240MPH for example, but we would never remove it.

 

[Tjones018]

But could someone theoretically get a performance pack BCM and install it in a non-pp car?


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[Livernois Motorsports]

No, you would need the rest of the electronics to mate with it as well.

 

[Tjones018]

What other electronics are there? With the exception of a switch for the console?

Anyone know what yanking the ABS fuse does to advancedtrac?

 

[mattr66]

I thought you can add a TC switch and do a reprogram if you don't have adaptive cruise control....

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Deactivating a safety system such as TCS, SYS or Advancetrac is a GIANT no-no. Those systems are there to protect you from yourself.

 

[Tjones018]

The same could be said for the ECU mapping from the factory. Any modification to the fuel map is illegal as it is a regulated emissions device. The way to skirt the rule is to declare it for "off road use only" the same should apply to the "safety" features. I find it rather hilarious that both ECU tuning and disabling government mandated TCS/ESP are both illegal, but you fully support one and not the other. What did we ever do before we had the traction control and stability management... Oh that's right we just drove the cars with out it. This is my first performance car with ESP. It will be my last as well.


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[Livernois Motorsports]

Your argument is not exactly on topic, because fueling/emissions mapping is not created for your safety. It is there to meet guidelines that have been set forth by our governing bodies. Saying that stability control systems are not needed because they are newer is almost congruent to arguing that seatbelts don't save lives. I am a LIVING testament that they do. What did we do before them? Die in car crashes....

 

[Tjones018]

EPA regulations are here for our safety. Air quality accounts for disease and death. It's a question of direct safety vs environmental safety. I'm saying that it's a distinction without a difference. Again with the seatbelt, you have a choice if you want to put one on. I'm not saying don't wear a seatbelt, what I am saying is that on a closed course, off road. I rightly ought to be able to disable all forms electronic intervention. In fact certain vehicles allow you to do this, completely legally. Even variants on the Taurus model can do this, so it clearly isn't such a safety risk that the government won't let you disable it. More likely it's a protection against warranty repair for Ford. If Livernois lacks the expertise to temporarily disable Advancetrac, that's one thing. But to say that it's there for my protection on a closed course is insulting and inaccurate.


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[bpd1151]

To the OP, there was/is a person located in Wisconsin (name skips me at the moment) that could completely program off all the nannies you speak of, on the non-PP variants.

I think his site was something like fordpimods or something.

Ask SHOdded. He'll likely remember. He's good like that.

But I'll say your estimate of the nannies leaving a full 2-3 seconds is likely WAY OVER estimated. That's a huge amount of time to make up while hurtling down the track.

Good luck.

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[SHOdded]

Correct, Jason at http://www.fordpimods.com/ can do some "magical" stuff for you if you have a 13+ vehicle.

Among the services listed (by no means complete) ---

• Keyless Entry
• Remote Start
• Auxiliary Audio
• Backup/Reverse Camera
  
• Compass Display (SYNC Models Only)
  
• Enable AWD Gauge (AWD Models Only)
  
• AWD Gauge/Engine Hour Tracking Civilian Taurus
  
• Sirius Satellite Radio (Requires ACM Replacement)
  
• Adding NAVIGATION to MyFord Touch Vehicles (8" Display

 

[bpd1151]

Thanks Manu.

I'm just waking up & mind's still a lil fuzzy.

I'm sure the OP will appreciate that info & hyper links. Good job my friend.

Jason works on the '10-'12 model years too.

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[Livernois Motorsports]

Even in the PP cars, like most other cars cannot completely turn those systems off. It is extremely numb, but not off. There are VERY few cars (mostly super and hyper cars, Viper, Lamborghini, Ferrari, AMG, etc...) that have this complete control over these systems as they are actual sports cars.

This is not a battle of capabilities, because we can do it. We just will not alter something like that.

 

[2013blacksho]

Pretty sweet that Jason at fordpimods.com has the ability to do this stuff. Sucks that my sho didn't come with navigation and now I can have it. Great that the dealer quoted me 900 bucks to do it and his is half that. Score and thanks for the info.

 

[RamAireTransAm]

what if you disconnect a wheel speed sensor or 4

 

[polskifacet]

I had a C350 Mercedes before the sho and it had a dyno mode in the engineering menu which turned everything off, too bad we can't do that. Try removing abs fuse and post the results.

 

[RamAireTransAm]

what if you disconnect a wheel speed sensor or 4

anyone ???

 

[Metroplex]

FWIW after much experimentation, I found that the throttle "lag" during sudden opening is caused by a torque limiter in the tune and not stability control. If it was stability control, it'd be mainly controlled by the ABS system since it has to apply the brakes in certain wheels to keep you from exceeding a certain yaw rate. Cutting fuel/spark isn't going to achieve that (traction control does use the brakes and fuel/spark control though). I was able to datalog and capture a full 1 second delay in the throttle from opening up even though my pedal was on the floor.

I fixed it in my tune and it works almost like a cable throttle, especially in sport mode when I'm in the commanded gear (and not letting the transmission shift back/forth). Car and Driver complained about the laggy throttle during their 2013 SHO test in the skidpad, I believe this is what they were referring to and IMHO it's not the AdvanceTrac or Trac Ctrl doing it. With these settings, I can apply power out of a turn.

The best way to exploit the stock limiter is to go into Sport mode and go into a part to full throttle application, suddenly release it, and then suddenly stab it open (as fast as you can). This is not to be confused with the transmission downshifting (which takes a moment with torque reduction engaged). An example of this scenario in real life is merging onto a freeway and then someone suddenly cuts in front of you (release throttle) and gets out of the way or you need to punch the gas open. I've had it happen a few times where I'm sitting in the lane not having the engine do anything for a full second.

 

[WarrenCrum]

So I just got back from an Autocross weekend, and while I did handilly spank my nearest competition (a 15 Nissan Maxima) by a second and half, the electronic stability control was fighting me the whole way. Like i think the car is leaving 2-3 seconds on the table because of the computer interference.

I've got a 15 SHO non performance package.

What are my options is this something Livernois or another provider can tune out for me?

I have a 2016 and, if you want to turn it off completely, you have to hold the button down while your foot is on the brake and the car is in park until it tells you the Adavnce Track is disabled.

I have a performance package but I don’t see why the traction control would be much different other than the sport mode which is available on the performance package.