antifreeze in the oil... help

[1993MTXSHO]

long story short, I went to replace the rear cam seal and there is a little puddle of green fluid sitting where the seal is. I pulled the dipstick and the oil looks ok but i wiped it on a towel and it absorbed abnormally fast. Is there anything else that can be wrong other then a blown headgasket, or odds are the head is warped and this engine is screwed.

EDIT: is it weird that the car doesnt smoke? the exhaust is clean, Also im going to go check for bubbles in the rad, it looks like there is oil in the antifreeze but it might just be buildup on the cap. I can SEE antifreeze in the head through the oil fill, and im wondering/hopeing, this guy i got it form is a complete *****, and im talking real idiot and that he actually put antifreeze in the wrong hole aka into my oil and an oil change will fix this. Oh please sho gods help me

 

[Eric VerValin]

I dont suppose you have a pressure tester do ya? There's an easy way to figure out if its a HG. At least get that old oil out before you drive it again, but then again, if the HG is blown, you'll be dumping more into it anyway.


No smoke means that its not getting into the cylnders, but the HG could still be bad somewhere else. The HG is the only place I can think of off the top of my head, where oil and coolant could mix, maybe that cooler, but doubtful to say the least.

Where are our experts at today?

 

[Phoenix]

long story short, I went to replace the rear cam seal and there is a little puddle of green fluid sitting where the seal is. I pulled the dipstick and the oil looks ok but i wiped it on a towel and it absorbed abnormally fast. Is there anything else that can be wrong other then a blown headgasket, or odds are the head is warped and this engine is screwed.

EDIT: is it weird that the car doesnt smoke? the exhaust is clean, Also im going to go check for bubbles in the rad, it looks like there is oil in the antifreeze but it might just be buildup on the cap. I can SEE antifreeze in the head through the oil fill, and im wondering/hopeing, this guy i got it form is a complete *****, and im talking real idiot and that he actually put antifreeze in the wrong hole aka into my oil and an oil change will fix this. Oh please sho gods help me

Flush the damn thing with walmart oil twice. Dont ever start this again prior of flushing the oil.

Usually , mixed oil + coolant in the block will look like foamed oil , like cream whip in light brown tints.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

Flush the damn thing with walmart oil twice. Dont ever start this again prior of flushing the oil.

Usually , mixed oil + coolant in the block will look like foamed oil , like cream whip in light brown tints.

which is weird, cuz it doesnt but yeah i left the car where it is and didnt even pull it up the driveway im gunna go get some cheap oil tomorrow and flush it out then get some castrol in it and hope it doesnt leak and the guy put antifreeze in the oil to "store the car and keep the block from freezing" yeah this guy was a ***** so i wouldn't put it past him.

EDIT: but i can SEE a puddle of antifreeze in the head when i take the oil fill cap off.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

I dont suppose you have a pressure tester do ya? There's an easy way to figure out if its a HG. At least get that old oil out before you drive it again, but then again, if the HG is blown, you'll be dumping more into it anyway.


No smoke means that its not getting into the cylinders, but the HG could still be bad somewhere else. The HG is the only place I can think of off the top of my head, where oil and coolant could mix, maybe that cooler, but doubtful to say the least.

Where are our experts at today?

what is the pressure tester? somethign ot check the radiator pressure or something? Oh and btw the radiator is still 100% full which is weird because there should be some in my oil pan so somethign doesnt add up and im thinking maybe he really did dump friggin coolant in the oil.

 

[Phoenix]

Let us know when you pull the drain plug if there's water (coolant) , it'll go out first.

This is too bizarre , it really looks like the poor guy poured coolant into it.

 

[Eric VerValin]

LoL.. yea thats what it sounds like to me too.. spooky... Frozen block.. lol @ that.. i bet he has velcro shoes too ?

Good luck man.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

Let us know when you pull the drain plug if there's water (coolant) , it'll go out first.

This is too bizarre , it really looks like the poor guy poured coolant into it.

oh i guarantee there is coolant i can see the crap sittin in the head, I drove it 20 minutes home like this too Anyway im gunna try to change it out tomorrow morning and take it for a short ride (up and down my road a few times) then change it again and see if the antifreeze comes back.

 

[egroce11]

How long did it sit? What kind of weather conditions was it sitting in?

I've seen engines that have had real bad condensation (spellinng) in an engine froim it sitting for long periods of time. Like phoenix said if you had an h/g gone your oil should look like light chocolate. Do a radiator pressure check, change the radiator cap, antifreeze, oil and filter. than keep a real close eye on the oil.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

How long did it sit? What kind of weather conditions was it sitting in?

I've seen engines that have had real bad condensation (spellinng) in an engine froim it sitting for long periods of time. Like phoenix said if you had an h/g gone your oil should look like light chocolate. Do a radiator pressure check, change the radiator cap, antifreeze, oil and filter. than keep a real close eye on the oil.

why change the cap? I understand the oil and antifreeze but im jw. Also what does a rad pressure check do, tell me if a h/g is blown?

 

[Phoenix]

why change the cap? I understand the oil and antifreeze but im jw. Also what does a rad pressure check do, tell me if a h/g is blown?

Failed rad cap will NOT release coolant pressure and will force coolant in where its not supposed to.

 

[egroce11]

Radiator pressure check will tell you if you have a problem with coolant leakage. If your loose pressure during the test it should show up by coolant showing up where it isn't supposed to be and can help you figure if you have a blown h/g. You can usually rent the test kit from an auto parts store.

Ernie

 

[1993MTXSHO]

Radiator pressure check will tell you if you have a problem with coolant leakage. If your loose pressure during the test it should show up by coolant showing up where it isn't supposed to be and can help you figure if you have a blown h/g. You can usually rent the test kit from an auto parts store.

Ernie

oh sweet ill have to go to advanced and rent one. Anyway listen to this guys, you're prolly gunna go cuz i did. The "oil" I drained out today was GREEN annndd and... 7-8 quarts came out of this sucker So i put new oil in changed the filter wit ha napa gold, started it up and ran it in neutral a bit. I reved it a bit (not to much didn't wanna overheat the converter to flow the oil around and get pressure up and now it sits. I was gunna got my brakes done but I found out today that the right rear line is collapsed Oh and this sucker still smokes like a chimney, I replaced the cam seal and this is the first time I really ran it since replacement, how long do you think itll take of the oil to burn off? or is this new seal leaking now too....?

 

[kzoosho]

Itll take some time for the old oil to burn off. **** i think all of my sho's burn off oil just leard to deal with it its a sho.

 

[93rev2sev]

Before starting it ... after changing the oil...unplug the DIS module and crank it for 30 seconds or so...

Then change your oil again.

 

[RAYJAY]

what is the pressure tester? somethign ot check the radiator pressure or something? Oh and btw the radiator is still 100% full which is weird because there should be some in my oil pan so somethign doesnt add up and im thinking maybe he really did dump friggin coolant in the oil.

smell the overflow jug if ti smells like hydrocarbons then its a head gasket

being its a 93 3.2 when was the motor made ??? ever one says there was never a head gasket problem on the sho motors ,but the more i look at different things it looks like the early 93 3.2 did leak on the rear head.

if the head was anything like mine on my 93 atx you will need a new head

http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=78455

 

[revhardSHO]

being its a 93 3.2 when was the motor made ??? ever one says there was never a head gasket problem on the sho motors ,but the more i look at different things it looks like the early 93 3.2 did leak on the rear head.

if the head was anything like mine on my 93 atx you will need a new head

http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=78455

All ATX SHOs used the same head gaskets from 93 - 95, no difference with the 93's. HG failures are rare on the SHO but they can happen to any motor.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

So, why did this guy have your SHO in the fiirst place? Did you take your SHO to this "guy" simply to have the oil changed? Was this at a shop or quick-change type oil franchise? Regardless, I'd be calling the owner/manager to raise-****.

Smoking (due to water/antifreeze ingestition) is only going to be present if the head gasket is leaking into one or more cylinders - and then usually only after a period of time when the leak has become excessive. If the leak is between a water and oil passage, then you'll find water/antifreeze in the oil (usually the first indication) and oil in the radiator fluid (oil drawn through the gasket break during cool-down; requires a number of hot/cold cycles). And it is possible for the head gasket leak to result in both - leaking into one or more cylinders, as well as a between a water and oil passage.

long story short, I went to replace the rear cam seal and there is a little puddle of green fluid sitting where the seal is. I pulled the dipstick and the oil looks ok but i wiped it on a towel and it absorbed abnormally fast. Is there anything else that can be wrong other then a blown headgasket, or odds are the head is warped and this engine is screwed.


EDIT: is it weird that the car doesnt smoke? the exhaust is clean, Also im going to go check for bubbles in the rad, it looks like there is oil in the antifreeze but it might just be buildup on the cap. I can SEE antifreeze in the head through the oil fill, and im wondering/hopeing, this guy i got it form is a complete *****, and im talking real idiot and that he actually put antifreeze in the wrong hole aka into my oil and an oil change will fix this. Oh please sho gods help me

You drove this 20 minutes? Did you not get an " [ OIL ] " light?

oh i guarantee there is coolant i can see the crap sittin in the head, I drove it 20 minutes home like this too Anyway im gunna try to change it out tomorrow morning and take it for a short ride (up and down my road a few times) then change it again and see if the antifreeze comes back.

Did you get *any* oil while draining it? Did you actually measure how much fluid did come out? Why did you *not* turn the engine over with the DIS disconnected to flush any remaining antifreeze from the passages and bearings, as well as build oil pressure - before starting it? I don't understand the rush here, given the potential damage that may have occurred during the initial drive, and the uncertainty as to what is still inside the engine. And why "rev" it?

And what do you mean by, " . . . . and this sucker still smokes like a chimney, . . . . "?

Is the smoke coming off the rear converter? Are you sure it's due to an oil leak, and not a bad CV boot or water pump leak onto the y-pipe or converter?

oh sweet ill have to go to advanced and rent one. Anyway listen to this guys, you're prolly gunna go cuz i did. The "oil" I drained out today was GREEN annndd and... 7-8 quarts came out of this sucker So i put new oil in changed the filter wit ha napa gold, started it up and ran it in neutral a bit. I reved it a bit (not to much didn't wanna overheat the converter to flow the oil around and get pressure up and now it sits. I was gunna got my brakes done but I found out today that the right rear line is collapsed Oh and this sucker still smokes like a chimney, I replaced the cam seal and this is the first time I really ran it since replacement, how long do you think itll take of the oil to burn off? or is this new seal leaking now too....?

 

[RAYJAY]

All ATX SHOs used the same head gaskets from 93 - 95, no difference with the 93's. HG failures are rare on the SHO but they can happen to any motor.

so why do I know of at least 5 early 93's in my area alone with rear head gaskets bad and all of the heads look like mine did, I myself would call that a early production problem ......like ford going to report this to the owners of the cars and its only on the early production 93 rear heads and the heads are not warped or cracked

Jeff

 

[AREA 91]

That is a pretty bad looking head, as I've seen a few in my day.