Fuel Injector O-rings

[Storm-Chaser]

I order fuel injector o'rings yesterday morning, and the AutoZone Hub store sent the wrong ones - imagine that ! :laugh_ti:

The o'rings I ordered were Fel-Pro part number 92326, which come boxed in a pack of four (4 ?) under Fel-Pro o'ring gasket set ES70600. Here's AutoZone's webspage for reference:

1995 Ford Taurus (3.0L EFI DOHC SHO)​

Here's what I ordered: Fel-Pro ES70600


Here's what they sent: Rol CM55405 (note how they're packed in a quantity of four as well)


Many 'smaller' companies will often make their part numbers the same as a major supplier, such as Fel-Pro, Raybestos, TRW, etc. nono In this case however, AutoZone sent gaskets that clearly were *NOT* Fel-Pro, and that were prominently marked "ROL Gaskets" (product packaging clearly states "ROL" in promient RED lettering against a blue background, with "www.rolmfg.com" on the damn package ), the ROL packaging prominently lists three part numbers vertically:

CM55405 (ROL's part number)
FP- ES70600 (Fel-Pro's part number in reverse bold print - ie. bold white letters against a large black box)
VIC (GS33277) (Victor Gaskets)
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So why the post? Here's the dilemma. The Fel-Pro o'rings are made in Taiwan (not Japan), and the ROL's are made in Italy. Of course, the AutoDrone idiots (including two store managers) tried to convince me first that they were Fel-Pro, then that ROL is owned by Fel-Pro and thus they "routinely" will substitute these in place of Fel-Pro. Well, I don't think so.

Here's the dilemma. Neither are OE-source (ie. from Japan) and I've generally found Italian-made parts are of pretty good quality. So, has anyone used the ROL gaskets - which AutoZone has been shifting to - and if so, are they of the quality of Fel-Pro brand gaskets? Does anyone recall if the SHO injectors were OE-sourced from Denso?

 

[Devin]

I think you're worrying too much.

 

[shovermont]

i would ebay them, mad cheap. i would say if it looks rubber use it. if you got some sick injectors then make sure they are uhh rubber haha.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

I think i have somew laying around that i bought from rcm automotive pm me if it comes to you wanting them. but personally i wouldnt worry about it just use them

 

[Storm-Chaser]

If you have product feedback you can offer - thank you!


But if you're going to simply thread-crap, please post your prattle elsewhere and spare the rest of us.

i would ebay them, mad cheap. i would say if it looks rubber use it. if you got some sick injectors then make sure they are uhh rubber haha.

And I suspose that if you were to pay for a name-brand Ultra High Performance tires and when you go to pick them up they roll-out some cut-rate no-name tire that uses the same part number, that would be okay if you had some sick tires?


Right . . . .

 

[SHO NUT]

Measure them and compare to the OEMs.

The OEM O-rings are metric. They are NOT a standard dash size (imperial).

I you use the imperial size, you will find they leak, as the closest imperial size is too thin in diameter, i.e. the thickness of the ring.

I don't have the size in front of me, but I think it's ~2.0 mm ring thickness. Metric o-rings come in odd sizes, so it takes a careful measurement to get it right.

You also need to select a material that's compatible with gasoline.

 

[Devin]

Just giving some encouragement!

 

[AREA 91]

I got a complete set off of flea bay for $30.00
That's for all the parts.
O rings
top spacer
lower spacer
pintle cap

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Somewhere buried deep in the forums is a NAPA part number for a Toyota injector o-ring kit that includes everything but the pintle caps (which you really don't want to try changing on your own anyway). They come in one box for each injector, so you need to order 6 kits. IIRC, it's around $3.50 per.

EDIT: I'm such a swell guy I looked it up for you: http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPag...ber=212069&Description=Fuel+Injector+Seal+Kit

Part number is 212069 and lists on NAPA's web site for $4.89. Your local store should be closer to $4.00 or less if you ask nice.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

I picked-up the two remaining Fel-Pro ES70600 injector o'ring gasket sets yesterday evening. Imagine my surprise when I find that one of the four gasket sets that shipped out of AutoZone's Memphis warehouse were yet again substituted with ROL gaskets errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...


To piggy-back on Chris's post....

... the ES70600 gasket set lists the following vehicle applications:

DODGE, EAGLE,
FORD, LEXUS,
MAZDA,
MITSUBISHI,
PLYMOUTH, TOYOTA 4 and 6
Engine 1983-95
DODGE, MAZDA,
TOYOTA Truck
4 and 6
2.4l Engine
1983-95
See Master Catalog for
complete model data.
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[Storm-Chaser]

I can now personally comment on the ROL product quality. One of the gaskets AutoZone’s warehouse tried to substitute - the thermostat o'ring gasket - was of fair quality. Granted, the sample size here is “one”.

First, the outer edge of the o'ring was not smooth like the Ford OEM gasket or Fel-Pro gasket that came in a second gasket set (ES70426), due to what looks like a poor injection-mold process. The inner edges of the o'ring that go-over the thermostat also have extraneous rubber material where it appears to have leaked between the injection-mold halves during the injection-mold process. Both of these production flaws can result in leaking in a pressurized seal, depending on the location of the imperfections when installed.


The thermostat gasket I ordered was Fel-Pro part number 35485 (ROL part I received p/n WO8398-001), which is the rubber o’ring that goes around the thermostat. Here's AutoZone's webpage for reference, note that the ROL gasket is not even currently listed on their website, in this case:

1995 Ford Taurus (3.0L EFI DOHC SHO)​

In-store, while the item and part number both appeared in the Z-net in-store database, they did not show a price nor do they even have the ability to order the ROL gasket ! Furthermore, all five stores we called that [now] show to have the Fel-Pro gasket [that didn’t on Monday] – all proved to be ROL gaskets when AutoZone’s database shows ALL-OF-THEM to be Fel-Pro parts.

The gasket was in a small plastic bag (Fel-Pro gaskets come in small brown cardboard boxes), again, with "ROL" in promient RED lettering against a blue background and "www.rolmfg.com" on the package), just like the image here on their website - http://www.rolmfg.com/rol_gasket_small.htm

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Does anyone see how product packaging like this could be mistaken for a Fel-Pro part?

The ROL packaging prominently lists three part numbers vertically, as well as no part number for Victor gaskets (like it did for the o’ring seals) at the bottom of the list:

WO8398-001 (ROL Gaskets part number)
FP- 35485 (Fel-Pro part number, in reverse bold print - ie. bold white letters against a black-box background)
CTC: 17-5320-0 (Corteco gaskets – a Mexican-source gasket manufacturer)
VICT: (no part number listed) (Victor gaskets – an India-source gasket manufacturer)
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Here's what I ordered: Fel-Pro 35485


Here's what they sent: Search Results for “WO8398-001”

The ROL gasket was product-sourced from Canada.


Here is ROL’s website (http://www.rolmfg.com), which has a link to their “performance gaskets” webpage. Notice that the second hotlink at the top of each of their webpages, is ” > Interchanges ”


ROL’s website lists their corporate headquarters in Ovieda Florida (32765).

The website lists a second location in Laval Quebec, Canada (H7S 1P8). This is a moderate sized Canadian city. I attended a professional conference there at the University of Quebec, in 2004. Beautiful city, especially the old sector along the St Lawrence River.


Anyone from the Orlando area that knows anything about this company?

How about their Canadian manufacturing plant – anyone from Laval with insight ?

 

[Phoenix]

I'm an hour away from Laval. Don't know about them though.

Maybe try CRAZY_CANADIAN , he's even closer then me to Laval.

 

[RAYJAY]

I got a complete set off of flea bay for $30.00
That's for all the parts.
O rings
top spacer
lower spacer
pintle cap

Me 2


and as for the pintle caps why not change them ????? i changed mine and did not have any problems ???

Jeff

 

[SHO NUT]

Me 2


and as for the pintle caps why not change them ????? i changed mine and did not have any problems ???

Jeff

The stock SHO injectors have 2 outlets to aim fuel at the valves/ports. Thus the rotation of the injector (and pintle cap) is important to acheive the stock aiming pattern. Unless you match it exactly relative to the connector, this won't be the case.

Here are pics.

http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?p=637277

 

[RAYJAY]

The stock SHO injectors have 2 outlets to aim fuel at the valves/ports. Thus the rotation of the injector (and pintle cap) is important to acheive the stock aiming pattern. Unless you match it exactly relative to the connector, this won't be the case.

Here are pics.

http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?p=637277

I just installed them same direction as the old pintle caps was on injector.

just for info if you did install them wrong what would be the problems ?

Jeff

 

[SHO NUT]

I just installed them same direction as the old pintle caps was on injector.

just for info if you did install them wrong what would be the problems ?

Jeff

There are many schools of thought as to the benefits of aiming the spray at certain areas, but the general consensus is that it's best to aim at the valve for maximum consistency.

 

[Storm-Chaser]

AREA 91
I realize your reply was from 7 months ago, but you don't happen to recall who manufactured those pintle/injector kits, do you?

I got a complete set off of flea bay for $30.00
That's for all the parts.
O rings
top spacer
lower spacer
pintle cap

 

[Mr Anonymous]

AREA 91
I realize your reply was from 7 months ago, but you don't happen to recall who manufactured those pintle/injector kits, do you?

Just happened upon that listing the other day: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110121818886

 

[AREA 91]

E bay user name: fuelunderpressure

 

[Storm-Chaser]

Sorry, told eBay/Paypal to go !*$# themselves about a year-and-a-half ago . . . . after getting ripped-off for the umteenth time. eBay/Paypal only does something when they stand to loose in the transaction. Otherwise they could care-less. While there are still some great deals there, it's just not the same "company" it use to be.


edit - I forgot to say thanks for both your replies.