PP SHO brake pads vs Non- PP SHO brake pads

[SHO T1M3]

So I'm looking to upgrade my rotors and can't seem to find a concrete answer. Can someone please confirm (and possibly provide proof) on the difference between the PP SHO brakes and Non-PP SHO brakes?

So far I have found the front calipers and master cylinder are definitely different.

Can someone confirm:

A. Is the only difference between the brake pads the friction material (i.e. more brake torque for the PP SHO pads)? Meaning they are interchangeable... (PP vs. Non-PP)

B. With regard to the rotors... I also haven't confirmed whether the rotors are the same. I've heard and read in different places that the PP rotors are larger up front and the rear is vented in the PP vs solid rear rotors in the non-PP. Could this just be the difference between 2010-12 and 2013-15?

The company I check with is Cquence.net. The have a great line of rotors (I've used them in my previous 2010 Impala LTZ) and they were also featured on an episode of Two Guys Garage.

http://www.cquence.net/

The OE Premium Replacement (plain) and the Premium Sport Series (2 different styles of cross drilled and slotted and 1 style with bi-directional slots) are made from high carbon - G3500 cast iron which makes them harder and stronger than standard rotors (G3000 cast iron). The internal vanes are also directional which aids in cooling the rotors.

Anyway back to the point....

Some vendors list parts as 'w/performance package' and 'except performance package'... while others, like Cquence.net don't have a designation. I called them directly and they only show one part number for PP and Non-PP cars. They also checked another vendor (undisclosed who it was) and said they also only show 1 part number for both cars. They advised I should call Ford to confirm whether the parts are interchangeable before ordering.

They also advised the rear rotors they have are vented... Can someone with a Non-PP SHO confirm the rear rotors are vented and not solid?

Thanks in advance guys/gals!

 

[SHO T1M3]

Found this on another forum. Still investigating...

Rotors are the same. The only difference is the pads

These are ebc red stuff from when I did my brake job.
Top is non pp
Bottom is pp

 

[Skeezixzx9r]

My '15 non-PP had vented disks on the rear.

 

[SHO T1M3]

So everyone, I've confirmed... Rotors and rear pads on PP and Non-PP are the same. Front pads are different as shown above, however, they ARE interchangeable.

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[SHO T1M3]

Just installed my Cquence.net Premium Sport Series Blade II rotors front and rear with OEM-PP pads

 

[sticks1680]

Just installed my Cquence.net Premium Sport Series Blade II rotors front and rear with OEM-PP pads
View attachment 1418

How much were they?

Pohnz-1

 

[SHO T1M3]

A little over $500 ($507 I think) for the rotors. Pads were separate (bought from the dealer for about $150)
That's for front and rear.

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[sticks1680]

A little over $500 ($507 I think) for the rotors. Pads were separate (bought from the dealer for about $150)
That's for front and rear.

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Yeah. I just priced out a couple variations. Not bad. How do you like em so far? Any vibration?

Pohnz-1

 

[SHO T1M3]

They look awesome! I literally have 15 miles with them so don't have a performance review yet, but I loved the way the Cquence Premium Sport Series Phantom rotors (drilled and slotted, same G3500 castings) performed on my Impala (traded in for the SHO). I expect to be just as satisfied with these on the SHO. I went with the Bi directional slots because the drilled rotors aren't recommended for the track.

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*edit: Zero vibration so far.

 

[WaterJunky]

So, the calipers on the front are different? I think there is mixed answers in this thread. If there are differences, any chance of pictures? If the above statement that calipers and master are different but take the same pads, then the primary difference is in the feel of the brakes for the driver. This is assuming there are not significant differences in the design of the calipers.

Pics anyone?

Just trying to get straight what I have (or don't have) on my Non-PP 2011.

 

[SHO T1M3]

For the front calipers it's the type of seals, piston size, and pistons are drilled to promote cooling on the performance package

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[peckrul]

I had read somewhere that they use diffrent break fluid and breakbooster on the PP also on the caliper they said something about the seals being diffrent

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[SHO T1M3]

That is all correct

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[peckrul]

Thanks for the conformation I wasn't sure if I was giving the correct information or not

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[SHOdded]

I had read somewhere that they use diffrent break fluid and breakbooster on the PP also on the caliper they said something about the seals being diffrent

From the Owner Guides:
2010: Motorcraft High Performance DOT 3 Motor Vehicle Brake Fluid (for all Taurus trims)
2013: Motorcraft High Performance DOT 4 LV Motor Vehicle Brake Fluid (for all Taurus trims)

From R&T:

The brakes get a larger master cylinder bore for a pedal ratio change that gives you less travel at the top of the pedal for a firmer feel, and the rear vented brake rotors are 30 percent larger. The already massive vented front rotors get dual piston 48-mm calipers with performance friction pads, and the pistons themselves have high-temp dust boots and seals that pull the pads more effectively away from the discs for less heat buildup.

The pistons themselves are crossdrilled like so (pics courtesy of MT):



and the pads look like this:

 

[SHO T1M3]

From the Owner Guides:
2010: Motorcraft High Performance DOT 3 Motor Vehicle Brake Fluid (for all Taurus trims)
2013: Motorcraft High Performance DOT 4 LV Motor Vehicle Brake Fluid (for all Taurus trims)

From R&T:


The pistons themselves are crossdrilled like so (pics courtesy of MT):



and the pads look like this:

SHOdded I'm not sure that info is all 100% correct. The rear rotors should be the same across the board (PP and Non PP). Unless maybe they meant 30% increase for 2013 over 2012.

I just got my rotors and pads on my '13 SHO PP and the rear rotors (confirmed with a few places) were the same for all '13 SHO's.

Everything else, looks correct

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[SHO T1M3]

I thought you guys might get a kick out of this. I ended up going back through the boxes I put the old brakes in looking for my wheel lock key that I somehow misplaced and was able to get some pics of the old pads. I doubt they're the original OEM pads (43k miles). The inner pad material actually separated from the back plate lol

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[pejohnson]

Yikes! Those look a little crusty.


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[SHO T1M3]

Yikes! Those look a little crusty.


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Yea, the rust is actually because the pads were sitting in a box outside a few days while it was raining. The fact that the pad came apart is a little concerning, though. I wonder if they are OEM...

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[WaterJunky]

OK so I think this is coming into focus for me. Given the difference in diameter of the master and calipers, I should not upgrade to the PP calipers at the next brake job without changing both. That is getting into some serious expense that I think I will avoid unless I am having issues. The rotors may get upgraded though. This appears to be one of those things that if you are not on a track you will never notice the difference in performance. The feel will be different but that should be it.

Thanks to everyone who chimed in.