What does that have to do with being bright?
Im not the one that expects a MFG to cover failures to modified rigs.
That not-so-bright individual would be you.
Do you HONESTLY expect a MFG to warranty failures with modified rings? Should I simply come out and call you a ********?
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"Dumb *****" put words into others' mouths. I at no time said I expect Ford to cover warranties caused by tunes. What I'm saying is that I'm not entirely certain that the tune is the only cause of failure of cylinder #8. If my engine were to shit #8 tomorrow, do I think Ford will cover my warranty? No.
Do I think Ford should make a bigger effort to figure out why their engines are ******** #8 on a simple tune that they
had to know people were gonna do? They made an engine in their premier muscle car that was so weak it can't handle slight mods? I agree, bad tuning is a cause, but bad tuning would cause all sorts of different problems - at the very least, ******** cylinders
other than #8. #8 is the last in the coolant loop, and it's the farthest from the knock sensor.
Furthermore, have you
read the TSB? It's ridiculous. It directly intimates that if you but an
axle-back on your car, the
entire powertrain warranty is void. Excuse me? Magnusson-Moss? Anybody? Ford is pretty directly ******** on the aftermarket community with this TSB, and creating an adversarial atmosphere where, frankly, none need exist.
This is Ford from a decade ago, the era where we typed Ford as F***. Look at the bottom of the site. See where it says "This forum is not affiliated with Ford Motor Company"? That's because Ford tried to sue this forum because they felt we were infringing on their IP and trademarks. What kind of sad shit is that? Ford is so threatened by a tiny little forum for an obsolete car they took out back to shoot in the head that they were gonna sue us?
That's what's going on now. They are so threatened by the concept of bad publicity from a faulty engine design element they're trying to sweep under the rug that they felt the need to publish a three-page TSB specifically and unequivocally placing the blame for any damage as a result of said design flaw squarely on our shoulders. I'm fully aware of the concept of modifications voiding warranty claims for damages caused by said mods. I'm also aware that this is, to me, pretty obviously a high-tech repeat of the cam swaging issue.
The question is this: Yes, the tunes are causing the issue - for now. However, there's already been one case of a bone-stock engine with the same problem. Are these tunes simply foretelling the future? How many more stock engines are going to shit #8 in 60,000 miles once intakes are gummed up from the pretty copious amounts of oil coming through the PCV system? When they aren't running at peak efficiency? When the coolant isn't as fresh?
That's what I'm saying. If you have a problem with that, then by all means you have a right to that opinion - I fight quite hard for your ability to disagree. I'm not saying Ford is doing, legally, the wrong thing. They have lawyers with several million years of experience and the law on their side. Those actions, however, while legally correct, are not morally right. They are
not doing the right thing on this issue. That's my opinion. And, having a $40,000 investment in their company for one of the cars in question, I think I have a right to it.
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