need real answers on upgrading brakes

[iselltonsofthings]

I've searched, and searched, read dozens of threads and can not make up my mind.

Please help me with my brake choice.

I am currently running stock slicers and plan to for the atleast the next year. My car is a 1993 but I have many parts cars so I have access to gen 1 and a 1992 gen 2.

When I purchased the car last year, I did all brand new brakes front and rear using stock sizes, stock rotors, and Performance friction pads. I flushed the whole system with new dot 3 fluids. I was new to the SHO and still unfamiliar of upgrades, etc.. I've been unhappy with the brakes even with the new set since I've installed them.

Now this is what I want to do.

I drove a Gen 1 SHO with the 96+ upgrade and the braking capabilites where far superior to mine. It was aesthetically more pleasing to the eye and I liked that aspect too.

Now aside from all of the people saying that you don't need upgraded brakes for the rear, I want them for looks and I still think that they have to add to the braking capabilities over all.

I know that there is a secret behind the special manufactured bracket, and personally that doesn't bother me a bit.

What I want to know is, what brakes are available to me for upgrading to a large rear size. Like I said, I have all parts from all years for the rear, Gen 1, Gen 2 in both 1992 and 1993.

If it is rediculous/stupid to have matched diameter rotors in front and back, then Is it possible to use my new brakes that I installed on the front, and move them to the back? This would give me 96+ front brakes and 93 front brake size only relocated to the back.

If neither of these suggestions work, then is there a set of brakes from any other vehicle made that someone knows will fit?

If I need any form of spacers, etc. I have access to the machine shop at my fathers work. I refuse to make my own caliper brackets though, so don't go there.

I am not auto-xing, dragging, etc, so I do not need repetitive heat dissapation from 120-40. I can not budget baer, wilwood, nor do I feel that I even need a setup like this.

I simply want the greater braking capability and aesthetics of the 96+ in the front and also a upgraded brake size in the back to match the look of the front. If I get better braking with the upgraded rear rotor size, then that is only that much more of a plus.

Thanks for reading this long post.

If I forgot to include anything at all, please just ask away. Sincerely, Scott

 

[Machspeed]

"What I want to know is, what brakes are available to me for upgrading to a large rear size"

11.6" would prolly be more then you need. Although you could go bigger.

"If it is rediculous/stupid to have matched diameter rotors in front and back, then Is it possible to use my new brakes that I installed on the front, and move them to the back? This would give me 96+ front brakes and 93 front brake size only relocated to the back."

Im not getting what your saying here.

I think just the front 96 upgrade is good for your needs. The front brakes have WAY more weight on them when your stopping then the rears. But if you want to upgrade, i beleive www.midwestsho.com has a rear kit.

<small>[ December 15, 2003, 02:31 AM: Message edited by: FOR SHO ]</small>

 

[iselltonsofthings]

Sorry about that, it does sound extremely wordy after reading it a second time.

I'll try to explain.

Is it normal and/or does it look right to have matching size rotors for the front and rear. Meaning, if I do the 96+ size up front, can I do the same in the rear.

If not, then when I install the 96+ brakes to the front of my car, can I use those factory brakes that I took off, and mount them in the back? Can I get a bracket from another vehicle to make the system work?

It is really late and I can't seem to fall asleep. I hope this time explaining is a little easier to understand. Sincerely, Scott

 

[iselltonsofthings]

I borrowed this image from COliveira95, and I hope this is not a problem.

Anway, I really like the look of the matching size front and rear rotors.

I think it would look really bad to have the 96+ rotors for the front and the small stock solid rotors in the rear.

If I'm going to do the 96+ for the front, I want something that is going to fill the space in the back as well.

Sincerely, Scott

 

[Machspeed]

If you want a rear 96 kit check this out.

 

[Machspeed]

Im also looking to upgrade my brakes this year. I want the 11.6", hawk pads, and ss brake lines. Ill just stay stock for the back.

 

[shojuan]

iselltonsofthings:


I borrowed this image from COliveira95, and I hope this is not a problem.

Anway, I really like the look of the matching size front and rear rotors.

I think it would look really bad to have the 96+ rotors for the front and the small stock solid rotors in the rear.

If I'm going to do the 96+ for the front, I want something that is going to fill the space in the back as well.

Sincerely, Scott

Those are 13" front and rear in that pic. The fronts are PBR 2-piston calipers and the rears are either front or rear calipers. I seem to remember them being the 96 fronts which would mean he has no e-brake.

<small>[ December 15, 2003, 06:13 AM: Message edited by: shojuan ]</small>

 

[PAracer]

For the street, I would rather have the baer setup than the Wilwoods that are on my car right now. Midwest SHO has a good price for a baer upgrade. 11.6 rears will be fine with that setup. While you are working on the brakes, you should consider ss lines and rear prop valves. If you can get to a junk yard, you can yank a set of the stock valves and modify them for free.

 

[Todd TCE]

I might add that fitting the same size rotors on both ends of the car MAY seriously mess up the cars bias. This should not be done with the bias valve mod or without the use of a proportioning valve if the stock valve is modified.

However, IF the rear calipers are smaller bore calipers this will pull some bias towards the fronts and counter the larger diameter of the rear rotors. Tuning can also be achieved by pad choices if so desired.

I'd discourage folks from putting the same calipers and rotors on both ends of the car without proper research of the enitre plan.

 

[K-Dawg]

I have the Gen III upgrade in front with Carbotech Bobcat pads and stock 90 brakes in back with Carbotech F Street pads and bias valve plugs. Stainless lines all around. This seems to be quite adequate for a aggressively driven street car. I'm quite pleased.

I'm assuming you have a 93? And those have the solid rotors in back? You can upgrade to the earlier vented rear brakes or upgrade to the Gen III rears. MidwestSHO has a kit for doing the latter. Check the classifieds section of the forum.

 

[SHOTIME]

for looks and functionability here is my best case..

Stainless steel lines all around

Rear bias plugs

96 brake upgrade in the front (93 - 95 knuckles and calipers and 96 caliper brackets)
drilled / slotted rotors
Good pads

11.6 rear upgrade, (89- 92 knuckles and calipers special brackets and hub spacers)
Drilled / slotted rotors
good pads

Bias plugs

quality synthetic fluid.

paint as needed

if you do it right, find most of the parts yourself your in it for less than $500 bucks

Do the strut drop while you have the spindles off wink

 

[K-Dawg]

For the most part I agree with Eric. However a few of his specs are wrong and I don't think you could do it for $500. Especially if you go with slotted/drilled rotors, which I don't recommend wasting the money on.

 

[Trojan Man]

Also I believe you need 94 or up front knuckles, not 93 or up.

 

[iselltonsofthings]

SHOTIME:
for looks and functionability here is my best case..

Stainless steel lines all around

Rear bias plugs

96 brake upgrade in the front (93 - 95 knuckles and calipers and 96 caliper brackets)
drilled / slotted rotors
Good pads

11.6 rear upgrade, (89- 92 knuckles and calipers special brackets and hub spacers)
Drilled / slotted rotors
good pads

Bias plugs

quality synthetic fluid.

paint as needed

if you do it right, find most of the parts yourself your in it for less than $500 bucks

Do the strut drop while you have the spindles off wink

From what I understand from this idea, that would put the same size rotors in the front and the back which Todd said not to do?

I thought that the 96+ for the front were size 11.6 and if I do the midwestsho.com 11.6 upgrade to the rear, that is equal size.

I already have the S-S lines for the project, but need a good idea on which brakes to do.

Remember, I want to upgrade the rears for looks more than function. I already know that I'm going to do the 96+ in the front.

Simply put, I really want to upgrade the rear so which setup should I use?

 

[Machspeed]

A rear brake upgrade from midwestsho is 300 bux, you're just going to do it for looks? You know 300 bux can go a long way some where else.

 

[AutoSHO]

It's silly to upgrade the 90-92 vented rear brakes... Especially on a street car. They're more than adequate.

 

[SHOTIME]

drilled slotted rotors are for looks.

I was wrong about the 93 knuckles, you were correct abotu 94 - 95, Thanks

He has all the supplies from parts cars I thought, all he needs are little things, rotors, pads, bias plugs.. nothing serious..

and about same size, the rear calipers are smaller than the fronts, youll be fine, and on top of that you have ABS, I wouldnt worry.

 

[COliveira95]

shojuan:

iselltonsofthings:


I borrowed this image from COliveira95, and I hope this is not a problem.

Anway, I really like the look of the matching size front and rear rotors.

I think it would look really bad to have the 96+ rotors for the front and the small stock solid rotors in the rear.

If I'm going to do the 96+ for the front, I want something that is going to fill the space in the back as well.

Sincerely, Scott

Those are 13" front and rear in that pic. The fronts are PBR 2-piston calipers and the rears are either front or rear calipers. I seem to remember them being the 96 fronts which would mean he has no e-brake.

Those are 92 rear calipers. The 92 rears fit the wider rotor and yes I have an ebrake.

 

[COliveira95]

Originally posted by iselltonsofthings:


I borrowed this image from COliveira95, and I hope this is not a problem.

No problem at all...

<small>[ December 15, 2003, 10:13 PM: Message edited by: COliveira95 ]</small>

 

[Todd TCE]

Hence smaller pistons are likely in this set up so the bias is not as altered as would be the case with 'fronts' all the way around. Nice to see someone thougth this out.