High fuel trims and intermittent P0171

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FiveLeeter918

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Nope it's the coding of the pcm itself. A leak prior to the wastegate solenoid will give a false reading if the boost created by the turbos, which then tells the turbos to make more boost, then the TIP Senser sees something other than it is expecting to see which then throws off the O2 sensors leading to additional trimming.
 

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Nope it's the coding of the pcm itself. A leak prior to the wastegate solenoid will give a false reading if the boost created by the turbos, which then tells the turbos to make more boost, then the TIP Senser sees something other than it is expecting to see which then throws off the O2 sensors leading to additional trimming.

Now you really lost me. I would be thinking there should be an over boost code if there was a large enough boost/vacuum leak before the was tegate solenoid and this should be shutting him down with power, but on the flip side the PCM is still looking at the MAP sensor. The MAP will determine how much fuel is added not the TCBP sensor? That's the question I was asking about.

The combination of the MAP, intake air temp, and fuel rail pressure is what controls fueling is what I'm aware of. If that's not the case, please explain the job of the two pressure sensors.

With the turbo's wastegate pressure activated and normally closed, with a leak of boost to the wastegate solenoid your going to over boost. Im on this page. The pcm will see this and should do something to prevent damage. The throttle body i guess could be used to limit the boost or the recirculation valves, if it's small enough maybe just a lower duty cycle the TCBP. But whatever is in the intake, the pcm should fuel based on the MAP not the TCBP.

The O2s are a check sum is how I look at it. The PCM already knows if the sensors are perfect, how much fuel to add. But if there is a biased sensor, or a mechanical concern the pcm can add or subtract fuel. ( a map sensor off by maybe a psi, or a set of fuel injectors that dont inject as much fuel as the should)

He could have a bum O2 that's not reporting.properly to the PCM. Too

With map there is really no unmetered air leak possibilities unless you remove the throttle body. I would think there would have to be a huge vacuum leak for the system to not compensate.

Another thought. All else ok. If there was a vacuum leak, under boost it may turn into a boost leak. So the fuel trims should get closer to 0 and wastegate duty cycle increase to compensate for the leak (MAYBE) depends what is causing the leak.

Carbs are easier, but at the same time, there is a lot more that could go wrong quickly. The pcm (electronics) will usually tell you there is a problem before things go south. It takes a lot of learning to understand what a car is telling you via listening, and looking.
 

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Hey guys, sorry I’ve been a little absent with replies. I ended up pulling the intake off and replaced the fuel rail pressure sensor. While I had it off, I also hand cleaned all my intake valves since they were VERY carbon’ed up. Finally tonight, we were slow enough in the shop that I got tho throw everything back together and on first start, my LTFT is at the usual +17.5 and my STFT are both at -18. Tomorrow I’ll bleed the coolant and let it run some more to verify but I think it might actually be fixed. So, it was either carbon buildup, a leaking manifold / TB gasket, or the sensor. I think Matt hit the nail on the head with the sensor.
 

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Hey guys, sorry I’ve been a little absent with replies. I ended up pulling the intake off and replaced the fuel rail pressure sensor. While I had it off, I also hand cleaned all my intake valves since they were VERY carbon’ed up. Finally tonight, we were slow enough in the shop that I got tho throw everything back together and on first start, my LTFT is at the usual +17.5 and my STFT are both at -18. Tomorrow I’ll bleed the coolant and let it run some more to verify but I think it might actually be fixed. So, it was either carbon buildup, a leaking manifold / TB gasket, or the sensor. I think Matt hit the nail on the head with the sensor.
Did this indeed fox your problem? I’m having a similar issue with 14% LTFT at idle on both banks and cannot find a fix to save my life. Also how do you clean the valves? So I can jump in there and do it was well on my 2015
 

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Sorry to revive an old one, but found this very useful so felt it worth while. I was having the same exact symptoms as the OP. Fuel trims at idle between 20-25%. Pulled off intake and walnut blasted intake valves. No change. Swapped MAP sensor. No change. Logged Lift pump pressure and HPFP pressure and all "looked" fine.

Last weekend pulled off the intake again and replaced the fuel pressure sensor on the rail and that totally fixed the issue. I would have never guessed this to be the cause. Anyway, wanted to post this in case it helps others chasing this gremlin.
 

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