Why Ford will not take care off the cam issue.

[V6&V8SHO]

Why? Its quite simple in my opinion... The SHO Taurus is simply a minority. Not much production. Not much of a concern. If it were a problem in a high production car such as the Regular Taurus the prob would be taken care off. We simply dont effect Ford if we go for a push. I am very dissapointed in Ford and how much they care about the SHO line. Our 1998 Taurus SHO listed out with every option at $30,680! Yet Ford, apparently, doesnt care about that. All they care about is volume. Welcome to "Corporate America".

<small>[ July 21, 2002, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: V6&V8SHO ]</small>

 

[XLSuruaT]

Yup, ford does not care. IMO, it seems they stopped caring around 97/98. Taurii got cheaper, came with less options. Transmissions are still crap. Right now the maxima, camery and the accord have navigation systems, hid(maxima), etc, etc, etc. All they care about is their truck line.

About sho's I feel sorry for you. That cam failure completely kills the joy of owning a very nice sports sedan. Since that car and engine are no longer in production it would cost ford some mucho $$$ to repair/replace all of them. I think they are going the same route they did with the pintos, just settle the lawsuits and let the rest of them blow up.

This taurus is the last ford I will ever own until ford can show me that they produce reliable cars and can take care of their customers.

PS: Have you guys considered a class action lawsuit?

 

[Osiris]

Give 'em time.....

Something will get done about it.

I have faith...for now.

 

[DJ SHO]

Well, there is a fix to the cam problem right? Welding it or something? For the time being maybe all the V8 SHO gurus should just look into getting it done, since Ford seems to have forgotten about SHO's pretty much. It would be great if they took care of the problem, but sometimes it like they always say, "you can't fight city hall". Kinda sux IMO. How much does it cost to have that fix done? I'm not a V8 owner but still care about the SHO community. thumbs_u

 

[RStalveyARFF]

$400 I believe

 

[cartfan76]

It seems pretty clear to me, but if there's ANY money to be spend fixing a problem..Ford won't seriously look into it. I mean, c'mon..we're talkin' about a company that makes Billions (?) in profits and they're squeemish about spending a couple of million fixing a cam issue? It's almost become a curse to be a car "enthusiast" in todays corporate America as no one cares about the "little guys" like us (unless you drive a 'stang or 'vette). I like our cars for what it is, transportation for 4 comfterbly that has a sweet motor in it and is pretty quick. Now that Ford has stopped w/the SHO, other companies have ran with the market (ie. Acura, Nissan). I read someplace where Ford swore up and down that there would be no market for another "sports sedan" like the SHO...I THINK NOT!

 

[Croaker]

Ford basically said they dropped the SHO due to sluggish sales...really...

BUT, Mercury is owned by Ford...Marauder? hmm...limited production run... The only advantage it will have is the fact the engine is already soo common to find parts for. Well..and the suspension probably a bit cheaper to find parts for.

BTW..other companies are goin this route also. The didn't start the trend...but carried the "sports sedan" into a whole new line of thinking..

Ford isnt' gettin' a Xmas card from me this year..

-Kevin

 

[philallemang]

i feel sorry for every person that owns a v8. Ford should fix what they made. like i was stated before, the make so much $$$$ and they cant spend a bit of it just to fix their own problem they created. i would be really mad if i bought a $35k car and i had to fix something that was under warrenty. if i was any of u guys, go burn_out ford. they deserve it. just my 0.02

 

[Tacmedic]

"BUT, Mercury is owned by Ford...Marauder? hmm...limited production run... The only advantage it will have is the fact the engine is already soo common to find parts for. Well..and the suspension probably a bit cheaper to find parts for."

The beauty of the Marauder project, (for Ford), is that most of the parts are already in the parts bin. They don't need to find or design them. I may be wrong, but I am guessing that most suspension parts come from the Police model and engine parts from the mustang. "****" instant hot rod

<small>[ July 23, 2002, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: Tacmedic ]</small>

 

[oldsho]

I have been following this issue here and at SHO Club. It seems that those of you who have V-8's should just get them fixed, unless you want to take the risk that Ford will step up to the plate and do the right thing before the cams go. Ford may yet do the right thing, but it seems implausible that they would spend $ on a vehicle that they dropped because they wouldn't put development $ into it in the first place. I had an new 89 SHO that I put quick miles on and the clutch went out before Ford figured it out. They would only cover half the cost. Among other problems, it so ****** me off that my next vehicle was a Jeep, not an Explorer. Unfortunately, I didn't learn. I ordered a 2000 Lightning. Before I picked it up, I knew that there was a problem with the intercoolers leaking. It was a year and a half after I picked it up before they recalled it, and that's for a vehicle still in production. My recommendation: just get them fixed and don't buy another Ford until they prove they can build something that holds up. The good news for us who know the cars and can stand to fix Ford's errors, they are cheap for what performance they give.

 

[pete c]

what kind of short sited idjits are running that company. oh yeah, I saw the commercials with that ******** looking billy ford. Does he look like the result of too many ford cousins marrying or what? It's bad enough that they let the company be run by a knucklehead who's chief accomplishment in life was picking the right parents, then they parade him around on TV.

When is Ford gonna let Yamaha do another motor?

 

[Marccus]

I have an '89 SHO but Ford reimbursed me for the full cost of the parts and labor to replace the clutch - a little over $900, I believe.

Even if you replaced it before they started the re-bate program, as long as you had your maintenance slip, they should have reimbursed you.

It seems you were ripped off by someone. But that's the current trend in corporate America.

oldsho:
I have been following this issue here and at SHO Club. It seems that those of you who have V-8's should just get them fixed, unless you want to take the risk that Ford will step up to the plate and do the right thing before the cams go. Ford may yet do the right thing, but it seems implausible that they would spend $ on a vehicle that they dropped because they wouldn't put development $ into it in the first place. I had an new 89 SHO that I put quick miles on and the clutch went out before Ford figured it out. They would only cover half the cost. Among other problems, it so ****** me off that my next vehicle was a Jeep, not an Explorer. Unfortunately, I didn't learn. I ordered a 2000 Lightning. Before I picked it up, I knew that there was a problem with the intercoolers leaking. It was a year and a half after I picked it up before they recalled it, and that's for a vehicle still in production. My recommendation: just get them fixed and don't buy another Ford until they prove they can build something that holds up. The good news for us who know the cars and can stand to fix Ford's errors, they are cheap for what performance they give.

 

[biker889]

can you explain the cam problem to me, my mom owns a 96' sho and i dont follow the V8's i just wanna make sure its all good. Peww, thanx for my gen 1 v6

 

[jedhead]

You'll find all the info here:

http://www.v8sho.com
Bob

 

[stephen newberg]

"I have been following this issue here and at SHO Club. It seems that those of you who have V-8's should just get
them fixed, unless you want to take the risk that Ford will step up to the plate and do the right thing before the
cams go. "

At last count there were about 100 confirmed cam failures out of about 10,000 Gen IIIs produced, the newest of which are now around three years old and the oldest about 6 years old. For those not fast with the decimal shift, that is one failure in 1000 at up to twice the warranty life of the vehicle. Thought I certainly would like Ford to do something about what appears to be a design error, I would also have to admit it seems like a very low incident problem and I can understand their reluctance to offer to fix 10,000 vehicles on 100 failures when, with the average life of a car in North America, these machines will not be on the road all that much longer anyway in any great numers.

If we are to get them to fork out a fix for free, it will be by hard, but =polite= lobby work, some of which is ongoing now. Cussing at every Ford rep and badmouthing Ford up and down main street will not do the job, and is very likely rather counterproductive.

pax, smn, with 86,000 on the clock and nary a tinkle of cam slippage (so far )

 

[biker889]

how can i tell if my cams are slipping?

 

[timbo]

The numbers are even more on Fords side. According to the V8SHO web site, SHO total production 19730, with 95 documented failures. This is less than 1/2 of a percent. Very low.

 

[pjtoledo]

Originally posted by Croaker:
[QB]Ford basically said they dropped the SHO due to sluggish sales...really...

BUT, Mercury is owned by Ford...Marauder? hmm...limited production run... The only advantage it will have is the fact the engine is already soo common to find parts for. Well..and the suspension probably a bit cheaper to find parts for.

There is nothing new or limited about the Maurader suspension. It's plain-'ol police car parts from a Crown Vic,,lots of them on the road.

Perry Toledo,Ohio

 

[Croaker]

ok..ok..I got the point about the Marauder...lol

19,*** Gen III's built, and say 100 in 10,000 fail... that's about 190 failures in 19,000. 10% of them fail? Fairly poor quality control if you ask me. Take into consideration that's 100 (or so) cases that we have been made aware of. How many more have failed? You can bet Ford isn't going to tell us...

Here's a thought...The next SHO convention could be strategically placed within' site of the Ford HQ...lol imagine that thought..maybe they'd let us use thier test track to run road-races. AT least then if anyone had a cam fail we could just tow it in front of thier gate and slap some rhino locks on the wheels so they can't have it towed...ok..I'm bein' mean spirited.

-Kevin

 

[XLSuruaT]

Sorry, 100 failures in 10000 is only 1%. That headquarters thing wouldn't be a bad idea, as long as rioting doesn't occur

"I am standing outside Ford's HQ in Dearborn where an angry mob of owners of the high performance taurus known as the sho have gathered. Several ford employees have been trapped inside the building all day since the mob gatthered at exactly 10am this morning. Some employees have tried to escape the building and drive home in their hondas only to be beaten with an engine part known as the cam shaft." - ABC news

Maybe invite some reps to come to a meet or somethign. Let them see how much you pride a car which is no longer in production.