Whirring Sound at Low Speed

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I recently crossed 71k miles in my 2018, and did some basic maintenance. Rotated tires, changed oil (Royal Purple, first time trying a K&N instead of Motorcraft filter), did the rounds, brakes seemed fine. The car, at least in my opinion, has been pretty well maintained, I had coolant, ptu and trans fluids swapped at 70k. A few days after this (with commutes in between), I took it on 2 hour trip north for the 4th, and it was around this time I began noticing a weird subtle sound coming from the front passenger side area.

I'll try my best to describe the sound; I hope to eventually capture actual audio of it, but it is quite quiet, and as this is my first loud car I've had, I now unfortunately realize it becomes much harder to diagnose weird noises.

It sounds a bit like a low pitched oscillating whirr or whistle from the front right side, slightly similar to intake noises or road noise, but different, like two fans hitting a resonant frequency. Nothing about it sounds grindy or metallic. If you were convincing and told me it was air getting trapped under the car somewhere, I might believe you. The sound only seems to come in, or be audible, during 30-50 mph, typically while coasting. I'm unsure if this is the actual range the sound is occurring in, or simply where it is still audible over the air, road and exhaust noise.

What is really messing with me is I can't find mechanically what the sound is attached to. It doesn't seem influenced by rpm, but also doesn't seem to really change pitch or volume with more wheelspeed, which kind of ruins my first guess, the bearings. It also doesn't really seem to get any louder with the windows down. I had the tires rebalanced yesterday as a precaution, but their balance had barely changed, and it didn't fix it. I also did the quick and dirty and sprayed some butane around vacuum lines in the engine while it idled to see if I could find any vacuum leaks, but I wasn't able to find any. I do hear a slight intermittent squeak when the car is idling, but its infrequent enough that maybe its just how you'd expect a 70k belt to behave on its last year or so. The one thing making this worse is that I looked under my car at the oil filter for the first time in a week, and noticed a dribble or two of oil hanging onto the oil filter. I'm crossing my fingers that it was just oil I forgot to cleanup when changing it last week, and that it's not some leaking filter or turbo or other nightmare, but I'm going to put some cardboard under the car tonight just to be sure.

Summarizing that word buffet, my best guess as of right now is that it is either the passenger side bearing just starting to go, so it hasn't gotten loud yet, or it is a bad tensioner, belt or water pump, though I'd be expecting a pretty audible squealing to accompany that.

Anyone been through something similar, or have good troubleshooting advice? Hopefully I'll have an actual audio sample to give soon.


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I recently crossed 71k miles in my 2018, and did some basic maintenance. Rotated tires, changed oil (Royal Purple, first time trying a K&N instead of Motorcraft filter), did the rounds, brakes seemed fine. The car, at least in my opinion, has been pretty well maintained, I had coolant, ptu and trans fluids swapped at 70k. A few days after this (with commutes in between), I took it on 2 hour trip north for the 4th, and it was around this time I began noticing a weird subtle sound coming from the front passenger side area.

I'll try my best to describe the sound; I hope to eventually capture actual audio of it, but it is quite quiet, and as this is my first loud car I've had, I now unfortunately realize it becomes much harder to diagnose weird noises.

It sounds a bit like a low pitched oscillating whirr or whistle from the front right side, slightly similar to intake noises or road noise, but different, like two fans hitting a resonant frequency. Nothing about it sounds grindy or metallic. If you were convincing and told me it was air getting trapped under the car somewhere, I might believe you. The sound only seems to come in, or be audible, during 30-50 mph, typically while coasting. I'm unsure if this is the actual range the sound is occurring in, or simply where it is still audible over the air, road and exhaust noise.

What is really messing with me is I can't find mechanically what the sound is attached to. It doesn't seem influenced by rpm, but also doesn't seem to really change pitch or volume with more wheelspeed, which kind of ruins my first guess, the bearings. It also doesn't really seem to get any louder with the windows down. I had the tires rebalanced yesterday as a precaution, but their balance had barely changed, and it didn't fix it. I also did the quick and dirty and sprayed some butane around vacuum lines in the engine while it idled to see if I could find any vacuum leaks, but I wasn't able to find any. I do hear a slight intermittent squeak when the car is idling, but its infrequent enough that maybe its just how you'd expect a 70k belt to behave on its last year or so. The one thing making this worse is that I looked under my car at the oil filter for the first time in a week, and noticed a dribble or two of oil hanging onto the oil filter. I'm crossing my fingers that it was just oil I forgot to cleanup when changing it last week, and that it's not some leaking filter or turbo or other nightmare, but I'm going to put some cardboard under the car tonight just to be sure.

Summarizing that word buffet, my best guess as of right now is that it is either the passenger side bearing just starting to go, so it hasn't gotten loud yet, or it is a bad tensioner, belt or water pump, though I'd be expecting a pretty audible squealing to accompany that.

Anyone been through something similar, or have good troubleshooting advice? Hopefully I'll have an actual audio sample to give soon.


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bearings - check the wheel bearings, thats my best guess based on others posts of similar. (dont rule out the PTU) dont forget the CV boots - make sure they didnt crack, you are from a salt state. Oil around filter - check the filter - you are supposed to - now for sure posted today - fill it as much as you can before installing, but a step many forget - fresh oil around the gasket on top of the filter. If not and even sometimes if you do this you can pinch the gasket causing a gap and a leak. Lastly turn till snug, back up a 1/8th turn.
 

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bearings - check the wheel bearings, thats my best guess based on others posts of similar. (dont rule out the PTU) dont forget the CV boots - make sure they didnt crack, you are from a salt state. Oil around filter - check the filter - you are supposed to - now for sure posted today - fill it as much as you can before installing, but a step many forget - fresh oil around the gasket on top of the filter. If not and even sometimes if you do this you can pinch the gasket causing a gap and a leak. Lastly turn till snug, back up a 1/8th turn.
Great advice. For the filter, I'm pretty confident now that was a false alarm, I haven't found a drop of oil on the ground or on the filter since, and agree to your point to **** the gasket and fill the filter, I always make sure to do that, but I definitely should've done an earlier check.

I've done some more troubleshooting and listening, I'm beginning to become more confident it isn't related to anything transferring power to the road...though cv boots and the ptu are worth a check, given I live in the saltiest state (can't have anything nice around here). For some reason, the most consistent factor to replicate the noise seems to be when I'm about -8.5 PSI. It's making me think some resonance is occurring due to a vacuum leak. I've been hitting the e30 tune pretty hard lately and can see some surge maxes over 18 PSI, and it's gotten pretty hot recently, so this could make sense. It's tough to hear with the hood open and the XDI-35 clacking away, but when I put my ear to the rear of the engine bay, I think I can hear some air rushing from somewhere. I'm going to let the expert ear (Dad) give it a listen soon, and hopefully we can do a full vacuum/boost leak test
 

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I'm just getting back into the sho game had a 10 and a 13 currently have a 010 PP tri coat red my 10 started making a very slight noise sorta like your describe two different times out of warranty of course first time was timing chain 2nd time was the right turbo sorry for the news I'm praying it's a bearing you can take the exhaust down and inspect the exhaust turbine check play and all that I'm no expert just laying out just a few of my problems take this for what it is
 

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Great advice. For the filter, I'm pretty confident now that was a false alarm, I haven't found a drop of oil on the ground or on the filter since, and agree to your point to **** the gasket and fill the filter, I always make sure to do that, but I definitely should've done an earlier check.

I've done some more troubleshooting and listening, I'm beginning to become more confident it isn't related to anything transferring power to the road...though cv boots and the ptu are worth a check, given I live in the saltiest state (can't have anything nice around here). For some reason, the most consistent factor to replicate the noise seems to be when I'm about -8.5 PSI. It's making me think some resonance is occurring due to a vacuum leak. I've been hitting the e30 tune pretty hard lately and can see some surge maxes over 18 PSI, and it's gotten pretty hot recently, so this could make sense. It's tough to hear with the hood open and the XDI-35 clacking away, but when I put my ear to the rear of the engine bay, I think I can hear some air rushing from somewhere. I'm going to let the expert ear (Dad) give it a listen soon, and hopefully we can do a full vacuum/boost leak test
Check your noisemaker jutting out of the CAC pipe. The connectors are known to come loose, and why people like me delete it. Don't forget the plastic hard pipe going down to the rear turbo... hard to get to. The pipe can develop small splits. Drop of dish detergent in spray bottle - spray down your plastic piping turn on engine and spray more. Look for bubbling.
 

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I should do a bit harder troubleshooting before I make anymore guesses, the -8.5 PSI observation isn't really holding true like I thought either.
I'm just getting back into the sho game had a 10 and a 13 currently have a 010 PP tri coat red my 10 started making a very slight noise sorta like your describe two different times out of warranty of course first time was timing chain 2nd time was the right turbo sorry for the news I'm praying it's a bearing you can take the exhaust down and inspect the exhaust turbine check play and all that I'm no expert just laying out just a few of my problems take this for what it is
Oof..you've given me a new nightmare to think about. Though, not saying you're wrong, but isn't 71k a bit early to be having timing chain/rear turbos issues? I know they can go out at around 120k, would I be seeing side effects yet? Acceleration seems to rip as always on the e30, but idle startup has been a bit rougher than normal, with LTFT in bank 1 at 1.03, and Bank 2 at 1.04-05. Just want to make sure before I have to drop the subframe I think to get at that rear and look at it.
Check your noisemaker jutting out of the CAC pipe. The connectors are known to come loose, and why people like me delete it. Don't forget the plastic hard pipe going down to the rear turbo... hard to get to. The pipe can develop small splits. Drop of dish detergent in spray bottle - spray down your plastic piping turn on engine and spray more. Look for bubbling.
Pretty sure the prior owner did the noisemaker delete, but I'll check to make sure nothings loose. Great advice with the dish detergent in the spray bottle though, that is quite ingenious.
 

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Aaaand I know I said no more shots in the dark from me, but I noticed the right rear rotor has a bit rougher and stripey wear pattern relative to the other rotors. Might just be a stage of denial but maybe the pads weren’t as good as I thought during my quick inspection, or maybe a piece of gravel got caught. I had a similar issue about two years back with the same caliper, I’ve had a suspicion that when TC/ Stability kicks in the rear during a slide, maybe it gets stuck slightly. This occurred two years ago right after snow donuts, and could make sense seeing as last week I kicked the rear out more than I ever have in this car before in a moment of blind anger swinging around the driver in front of me staring at their phone and not moving for 30 seconds on a green light. Might be a bit delusional but it’s a theory
 

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check the belt tensioner its been known to make a card-in-spokes type of sound when it starts to fail. usually happens on cold days tho, but ...
 

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check the belt tensioner its been known to make a card-in-spokes type of sound when it starts to fail. usually happens on cold days tho, but ...
whoa, I think I heard that in the winter. would there be any visible play while idling?
 

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Ask any long haul truck driver, Illinois/Indiana border…worst drivers in the country.

Mostly the Illinois people. ;)
Would argue Maryland when driving I95 north/south from Boston down. Pretty bad, that and NJ. Take your word for it.

Btw so they drive like the Blues Brothers do I assume...
 

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Sounds gotten louder and more consistent over the past two weeks, it's seeming sort of consistent with sounds when a pinion bearing is failing, though not sure exactly what our RDU failure symptoms are. Any thoughts on this?
 
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For anyone interested in an update or diagnosing this issue yourself in the future, it was, unfortunately, in fact the RDU. Brought it to the stealership, they pulled the magnetic plug and tons of shredded metal came with it. Cost me a little over $3k in total to get the RDU replaced, oof. Maybe I should've noticed symptoms sooner, or maybe I noticed it just as it was starting to impact driving characteristics.

For anyone reading this, any advice on avoiding this in the future? I'm guessing it comes in hand with pushing power above 400 on this platform, and it probably serves me right for skipping the RDU fluid replacement when I last did my PTU and trans. Still quite a shame, hoping this doesn't occur again down the line, because at that point I'll need to seriously consider if there are alternatives to this RDU or if the fluid or maintenance I am doing is flawed.
 

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For anyone interested in an update or diagnosing this issue yourself in the future, it was, unfortunately, in fact the RDU. Brought it to the stealership, they pulled the magnetic plug and tons of shredded metal came with it. Cost me a little over $3k in total to get the RDU replaced, oof. Maybe I should've noticed symptoms sooner, or maybe I noticed it just as it was starting to impact driving characteristics.

For anyone reading this, any advice on avoiding this in the future? I'm guessing it comes in hand with pushing power above 400 on this platform, and it probably serves me right for skipping the RDU fluid replacement when I last did my PTU and trans. Still quite a shame, hoping this doesn't occur again down the line, because at that point I'll need to seriously consider if there are alternatives to this RDU or if the fluid or maintenance I am doing is flawed.
Thanks for sharing and offering the same advice this forum preaches to all that come here and ask why so much, why it seems excessive.

When pushing more torque more will wear faster that what Ford engineered these, huh, all modern vehicles. Warranty or 100K for majority and problems arise.
 

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regular fluid servicing of course. and dont use oem fluid. use redline lightweight shockproof (suitable for both ptu and rdu) - buy in bulk if you supply the fluid for servicing.
 

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