Wavetrac Torque Biasing Differential Gauging Interest Thread

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I'm posting this thread in 'gauging interest' for the moment, but it should turn into a bona fide group buy shortly.

As you recall, we co-ordinated the last Quaife Group Buy.

We've been working with Quaife America (Autotech) over the last few months about doing another, and 2 things have come out of those discussions.

a) With the continued slide of the US dollar compared to the UK pound, doing another run of SHO Quaifes would be pretty much cost prohibitive. Retail would be $1495, and Quaife America is no longer interested in carrying this model. The retail on the last batch was $1395. Thus it's official - the last Quaife Group Buy was indeed 'the last one'.
b) Autotech has been working on their own gear-based torque biasing differential, the Wavetrac. Given the number of units that we buy, and the fact that they tend to be in batches, they would like to start production for the SHO, and of course, we are the company they would like to sell this unit for them, exclusively. The Wavetrac is US designed AND US made. We have also been working with Autotech to customize the Wavetrac SHO application to make it more user-friendly, including sizing it for easy-to-find imperial bolts, instead of having to use metric bolts (or filed down imperial ones).

We have done our own research and we are very excited about the Wavetrac. This diff is primarily gear-based torque biasing, but also has two additional features that set it apart from other gear-based torque biasing differentials (including the Quaife). The first and foremost is the Wave Design Center Pack. This feature gives the car traction even when one wheel has no traction at all. In a normal gear-based torque biasing differential, if one wheel has ZERO traction (on glare ice or one tire in the air), the diff behaves like an open differential, because it needs SOME traction at both wheels to bias the torque. The Wavetrac, on the other hand, has the Wave Design Center Pack that provides the bias when one tire is unloaded/has no traction. The second is that the Wavetrac has Interchangeable Friction Plates to provide controlled bias. This means that you can adjust the bias to suit your needs (the diff needs to be removed and disassembled to change the Friction Plates, of course).

Autotech's web page on the differential is here, and includes a video and a link to a data sheet, as well as detailed technical information and explanations that are worth the read:

http://www.autotechdriveline.com/a_index.shtml

Autotech is very excited with the positive feedback they have already received from Wavetracs already out in the field for other applications, including a 740+ WHP drag car. As with the Quaife, the warranty is lifetime, even when raced, and also transferrable.

In fact, we are so excited and confident about the new features that we will be replacing the Quaifes in/for our winter cars with the Wavetrac units, since they should perform better in winter driving when one-wheel-on-ice is very common, and it's a (noisy) nuisance when the Quaife goes 'open' in that situation. These Quaifes will be made available, of course. One is installed already, so it will be made available to someone in the US once the Wavetracs are made (and it has been inspected and approved as 'good' by Quaife America), and since the other is not yet installed (still new in the box), it can be made available immediately to a Canadian (as its already been imported into Canada). We may also have another couple Quaifes available.

The other benefit of the Wavetrac is a stable price, and even with prices going up everywhere else, we are happy to say that pricing should be US$1295 delivered, even less than last price we sold the Quaife for at the end of the last group buy (US$1350). Since it is US-made, there is no duty to import one into Canada (another new benefit).


So, we would like to get started. The minimum batch quantity is 30 units. Production time is 4 months from when we issue the PO. We already have 25+ names on our list from AFTER the last buy, so we should hit the 30 mark pretty quick.

What we would like to do at this stage is to confirm how many of those 25+, as well as any new people, are interested in purchasing a Wavetrac. We are not collecting deposits at this point - just looking for serious interest. Once the group buy starts, then deposits will be collected and so on.

So, if you are interested, please e-mail us at

[email protected]

if your e-mail bounces, or if you don't get a response in a couple days, please use:

[email protected]

Please note that there is no need to post here if you are interested in or not - it's the private e-mail to us that matters, so we can track people properly.

Thanks!


Regards,

Joshua Teixeira,
SHO NUT Performance
 
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Booya! Thanks for all the hard work Josh. I hope this goes through as planned. :thumb:
 

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Wow, that is super cool. Two new great parts are being offered this summer (k sport coilovers and now this). I really hope these products come out.

Of course I can't put my name in as I already have a Quaife that I'm happy with. I just wanted to nod my appreciation for keeping the aftermarket involved with our cars. I know that it's not an easy task.

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I am interested....but not as of now. I want to see how these hold up in peoples cars before i would put one in mine since they just came out. I think a year or 2 of abuse would show how they are going to do.
 

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If it weren't for having to pull the tranny to put it in, I would really consider swapping my Quaife for one of these.
 

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I am interested....but not as of now. I want to see how these hold up in peoples cars before i would put one in mine since they just came out. I think a year or 2 of abuse would show how they are going to do.

If everyone had this attitude, the product would never be available. There's nothing wrong with what you said except that maybe it should be communicated privately with Josh - negative conjecturing tend to sway others and **** group buys. From everything that I've read so far, this seems like it's a quality product. I suspect that Josh wouldn't be offering it if it wasn't.

If you want to read other's reviews of the Wavetrac, check out this link:

http://www.google.com/search?q=wavetrac+review

Ian
 
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If everyone had this attitude, the product would never be available. There's nothing wrong with what you said except that maybe it should be communicated privately with Josh - negative conjecturing tend to sway others and **** group buys. From everything that I've read so far, this seems like it's a quality product. I suspect that Josh wouldn't be offering it if it wasn't.

If you want to read other's reviews of the Wavetrac, check out this link:

http://www.google.com/search?q=wavetrac+review

Ian

I wasn't stating anything negative about it. I was just saying that I don't want to try somthing that is this costly the second it comes on the market. I want to see how it holds up. If you want, go ahead and get it right away, I'll be patiently waiting to see how it works out for you.
 

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Mods need to clean it up already. Are you in or not?

I'm in, obviously, as I started a thread about this months ago.

Thanks Josh, Lemme know when/where to send down payment.

- James
 

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But everyone doesn't have this attitude.

Furthermore, everyone DOES have the right to voice their opinions, comments, questions, and concerns - positive or negative.

And I hardly view the comment negative, much less a "group-buy killer".

If nothing else, the comment did result in your posting a Google-link to reviews of the wavetrac. Such comments provide an avenue to "educate" those that are unfamiliar with the product, or the need for a replacement differential for those that are new to the SHO, as 1995SHO9 (John?) is. That in and of itself is positive for the proposed group-buy . . . .

I think the biggest hurtle for this proposed group-buy, is minimum batch quantity of 30 units, not comments or doubts about a product most have little experience with. Those interested will not be swayed by those with "new product" concerns, those new to the process will have an opportunity to learn, and in the end this will move forward like all the other Quaife group-buys have . . . .

. . . . SSDD


Now, to figure out a way to save the $1300 to get in on this . . . .

:woohoo:


If everyone had this attitude, the product would never be available. There's nothing wrong with what you said except that maybe it should be communicated privately with Josh - negative conjecturing tend to sway others and **** group buys. From everything that I've read so far, this seems like it's a quality product. I suspect that Josh wouldn't be offering it if it wasn't.

If you want to read other's reviews of the Wavetrac, check out this link:

http://www.google.com/search?q=wavetrac+review

Ian


I am interested....but not as of now. I want to see how these hold up in peoples cars before i would put one in mine since they just came out. I think a year or 2 of abuse would show how they are going to do.
 

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Nice to see a replacement in the works, hope we see this happen

On a side note, if Quafie isnt going to make any more SHO units what happens to all the guys that have a warrenty issue with theirs?
 

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Nice to see a replacement in the works, hope we see this happen

On a side note, if Quafie isnt going to make any more SHO units what happens to all the guys that have a warrenty issue with theirs?

Of the couple of warranty issues we've seen, they all relate to 'off the shelf' parts like spring packs and maybe pinions. I've never seen or heard of any of the unique parts failing (and it's unlikely, they are pretty stout).

So to answer your question, it should not be an issue that I can see.
 

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long as this isnt anything soon i think ill go in on this one.

but one thing tho 1995SHO9 this is a GB and it needs 30 people.. you think in like another 6 months theres gonna be another?
i can about promise you this isnt gonna happen.
30 people are hard to get involved for GBs
basicly what im getting at is your gonna pass this up and not get another chance...
i dont know what the problem is tho they have a full warrenty and it even transfers so no matter what happens your gonna be set.
from what i seen on here 4 months is when its suspected to go into production.... plenty of time for you to do the 1 wheeled grenade trans then you will be begging for a better diff... welded pin is not a permenate fix
 

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long as this isnt anything soon i think ill go in on this one.

but one thing tho 1995SHO9 this is a GB and it needs 30 people.. you think in like another 6 months theres gonna be another?
i can about promise you this isnt gonna happen.
30 people are hard to get involved for GBs
basicly what im getting at is your gonna pass this up and not get another chance...
i dont know what the problem is tho they have a full warrenty and it even transfers so no matter what happens your gonna be set.
from what i seen on here 4 months is when its suspected to go into production.... plenty of time for you to do the 1 wheeled grenade trans then you will be begging for a better diff... welded pin is not a permenate fix

Eh, I might go in on it later, who knows. I'm sure the welded diff shall hold up to alittle racing here and there. I never do burnouts.
 

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long as this isnt anything soon i think ill go in on this one.

Let's say it takes 1-2 months to get enough people to start production. Production takes 4 months, so we are 5-6 months before they are available (And the balances are due).

i do have one question tho nut... is it possible to get like a locker setup out of this diff?

While you can use a higher friction pad to increase bias, it will never be a locker (and you don't want a locker in an FWD car anyway, or at least not for a car that you will drive around any sort of corner).
 

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