V8 SHO Cam Repair Options - Opinion for Section Mod

[fredhurderjr]

As a suggestion, perhaps you could have each of the shops offering aftermarket repairs / replacements / Services of the V8 SHO Cam issues to do a brief (*** word writeup), along with pictures / pricelists / options for services rendered & point to this over & over again for newbies coming in. This may keep the discussion civil, result-oriented, and as neutral as possible.

Have each of the shops submit the write-up to the moderator directly offline, have the moderator create the thread & lock it. This will keep each of the shops from "retaliating" or "one-upping", etc.

You can either specify to have them focus on the pros of their choice of fix ONLY (no shop- or method-bashing, or have it be an open "this vs. that" from each of the shops.

The ones I know of right now are SHO Shop, Ford Performance Specialists, Kirk Doucette, and Midwest SHO, but I'm sure there are others. As for Ford's response, it'd probably be their standard, "It's an isolated incident" or "Gee, you're the first one I've heard of on this...", followed by the list price of a new engine, new cams, and the book rates for each of those replacement services.

Thanks for your consideration.

 

[nothingtoseehere]

Good idea Fred. I think the write ups would have to be civil too though in a sense. Neither one dowlplaying another type.

 

[SHODWN]

HA finally something intellectualy funny today. Thanks Fred.

Section Mods - bahahahahahahahaha WHERE?

 

[stephen newberg]

Though I do not know what Kirk was trying to say in his just above post, I also think that would be an excellent idea, Fred. Thank you for suggesting it. I have locked the other threads so we can try to consolidate here.

pax, smn

 

[Mac98SHO]

fredhurderjr,

OT : how are things on you end...... Have you parted out Jezebel? (I believe thats what you called it.)

Not a bad idea you have there either.... but compition foster growth in eithr business. My 2 cents

Mac

 

[Yamaha V6]

Well, now I KNOW this isn't a Gen 3 related answer... wink

Jezebel's hulk is sitting in my driveway. I still have yet to drop the gas tank to get the 240lph pump for the blower, and a couple of misc. items (like steering rack, etc.). Everything else is pretty well gone, except some decent body panels.

I'm currently trying to build up the Mocha 91 with her driveline & suspension. The Quaife'd trans is now bolted to the engine, ready to drop in. Soon, she'll breathe again, after the heart transplant.

I toyed with the idea of a Gen 3 daily driver, but settled on a 95 ATX, as I figured I had pretty much everything I'd ever need on the shelf for the V6, vs. learning & stocking a whole new ballgame. Besides, with SHODown parked next to my bays, I gotta be different somehow.

Thanks for asking Mac.

 

[Mike Kopstain]

Wow... Fred how did you know we do cam welds?

Also... I need to buy something from Jezzy, anything. Any ground effects cladding left?

I just need one piece.

edit: Performance plus also does welding I believe.

<small>[ January 29, 2003, 01:32 AM: Message edited by: Mikeys_Taurus ]</small>

 

[Bob Gervais]

Mikeys_Taurus:
Wow... Fred how did you know we do cam welds?

I told him, saw it on your website.
Great idea Fred. Hopefully we can get some opinions from respecte members of the V8 community to get involved. thumbs_u

<small>[ January 29, 2003, 05:57 AM: Message edited by: Bob Gervais ]</small>

 

[SHODWN]

What Im saying is that there are no MODS that know anything about a GEN 3 car on the Gen 3 section.

I would think that a section should be moderated by someone that has a SLIGHT bit of knowledge of the car.

Locking other topics about cam welds when there is not fight going on just shows the little expirence of the MODS in this section.

Thats my point. Now to see how long this post stays up without being deleted like some of my others have been or when the topic will be locked.

 

[fredhurderjr]

12hours + & counting... wink

 

[stephen newberg]

Kirk, the object was to have you knowledgeable experts give a brief here for the use of everyone on the board without it getting into personal stuff. I suppose it might have been a lot to expect.

Any chance you can actually go along with Fred's excellent suggestion?

pax, smn

 

[rjensen]

I agree, let's do it.

I'd like to see a tech. package from the various shops, including how many cams have been modified as a function of how many repair failures have come back. Forum observers will keep them honest.

This is an important topic, considering relatively simple fixes exist to prevent such a severe failure. I think the forum participants can stand a little heat, how about the Moderators?

rj

 

[Mike Kopstain]

So how do we go about doing this...

and Fred, answer my question. I want a piece of the cannibalized Jezzie. I am serious.

 

[fredhurderjr]

Hey Mike, are there online stalking laws?

I'll see what I can do before the chassis goes buh-bye.


BACK ON TOPIC...

I'd say call or email the people mentioned, along with anyone else who knows of someone who does these services. That'd be the mod's job. Explain the situation, and give 7 days to have a reply sent back to the moderator. If the vendor doesn't choose to reply, simply put a link to their website or phone number & the statement, "contacted, no response given".

I pictured the new to-be-created thread to be:

"V8 CAM REPAIR OPTIONS, as of (date)"

1st thread post:
Please visit www.v8sho.com for the latest information on the V8 SHO Cam Issue

The following vendors offer some type of pre-emptive or post-failure cam repair. This thread is a listing of each vendor's position on their services, a description of what's included, and a price as of the writing of this thread.

The Vendors are listed in alphabetical order.

2nd thread post:
Vendor #1's info

3rd thread post:
vendor #2's info

etc, etc.

Then after all the vendors info is on, the mod locks it. Should more shops open up, the thread can be unlocked & added to with a note about being added after the initial writing.

The mod who undertakes this would have to get the info off-forum & post it here, in the interest of fairness, I think.

Simple!

I hope this happens.

 

[stephen newberg]

Sounds good to me. I do not think Kirk would consider me to be neutral. Randy, would you be willing to take this on?

pax, smn

 

[SHODWN]

Well I like the idea but it will also teach the ones that are unfilimar with the V8 a few things that they dont know. Some that are doing this should not be, they maybe can weld but they dont know the car and the problems that lurk. I had to learn, Doug had to learn and The SHO SHO had to learn these goodies.

Personally I feel unsafe telling people on the internet how to do things because if ( if) they mess things up, it always comes back to (" I followed the instructions") and it didnt work. These are not the 100.00 v6 motors they are 10,000.00 V8 motors.

And seeing that im the only welder of cams here (well that posts) what would if prove?

For instance this guys emails me yesterday and I think he is trying to dig for info, tell me that he has contacted 2 other shops, One that was well overpriced about 500.00 for less work than I do, and the second said that he will test for runout after the cams are welded. But what about testing the runout before they are welded? if this person does warp a cam does he have more? I doubt that they do - Then what? Do they know how to replace a cam in a V8? Do they reliaze that you wont warp a cam if done correctly? Why would they offer such a service?

Its times like this why I can understand and like Tom from the SHO SHOP for being a Donkey thumbs_u sometimes to folks like me.

There are about 10 places now fixing the car, I would say maybe 3 know the V8 SHO, and 2 places of the 3 that own a Gen 3. its not a v6 guys, its not a Yamahama, its a tottaly different animal and chooseing a place because its convienient is ok but 7 times out of 10 your bringing your car to someone that dont know the car, and someone that the money has opened thier eyes to our problem.

Greed is not the answer, good service and knowledgeable people is.

oh and the second place quoted for plug wires

Guess why thats why I was asked to go to that area when I get back from Tulsa.

 

[nothingtoseehere]

stephen newberg:
Sounds good to me. I do not think Kirk would consider me to be neutral. Randy, would you be willing to take this on?

pax, smn

I would be willing to take the e-mails from the shops and make a post. Keep in mind though that I bought a welded car from Kirk...

 

[Bob Gervais]

A suggestion about locking this proposed thread. Why not lock the thread to begin with, and have the shops email their info to the mod who is handling the project. The mod could then copy and paste the email into the thread. This is all assuming that mods can post in locked threads. On the TCCA we can.

And Kirk, you're correct, runout needs to be checked before and after welding. I'll bet a FSTB that the sprockets do not run absolutely true to begin with, which is OK, everything has a manufacturing tolerance, but we need to know the baseline value.

 

[Yamaha V6]

Bob -
I was proposing a nice, clean tidy results-only thread, rather than having to read through stuff like this.

 

[E1]

Bob-
I did dial indicate the sprockets and they don't run 100% true.

http://v8sho.com/SHO/CamWeldingTechnique.htm

This is my report, taken from a few E-mails to V8SHO.com.